Is Hamilton desperate or what?

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BreezyRacer wrote:
Hangaku wrote:The thread is pretty much just a load of haters and fans, spouting the same crap on a different day, using different words. PLEASE, for the love of god, grow up.

We know that all the haters hate, and all the fans love, but get over it. It's like watching a bunch of monkeys throwing their faeces at each other, and it doesn't add anything of purpose to F1Technical.net.
So turn away fanboy .. no need to see what you don't want to see ..
Calling me a fanboy like it's some sort of derogatory term is quite genius, considering it's in my signature. Great contribution, well done #-o
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Hangaku, if you don't like what is posted in this thread then don't participate nor even read it. There's no need to continue a useless debate about nothing. Now that would really help the forum, think about it. ;)
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mx_tifosi wrote:Hangaku, if you don't like what is posted in this thread then don't participate nor even read it. There's no need to continue a useless debate about nothing. Now that would really help the forum, think about it. ;)
This whole thread is a useless debate, as there is no rational conclusion.
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ISLAMATRON wrote:So you are claiming Button out thought Lewis, Both Red Bull drivers, MS, Alonso Massa and nearly the entire field and all the engineers and weathermen that they employ?
He's the one in the car and only he knows how fast he is going, how fast he could go on another set of tyres and only he has the experience of that, so yes. He decides what the car does. All the engineers and weathermen in the world won't be able to tell you that.
Button took a chance and came out lucky, that is all...
I'm afraid you don't get lucky more than once. There is a slight element of luck involved because Button gave himself a better chance than anyone else, but when it boils down to it that's good judgement and not luck. That's the way it works.
Oh --- all of these guys are better/faster than me in the dry and the wet so since they are all pitting(and the team called him into the pits as well) I better stay out.
Bollocks, but you think that if it gives you the warm fuzzies and the comfort that you need. The results say otherwise.
WTF? you think he took his gloves off and stuck his hand out the cockpit to check how much rain was coming down...
I know you're frustrated, but if you don't know what a driver has to decide and feed back when he's in the cockpit don't bother.
...like when Kimi&co put on inters expecting rain and the rain never came...it destroyed their race.
You'll find that was a decision that came from the pit wall so all those engineers and weathermen didn't help. Raikkonen should probably have put his foot down........

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ISLAMATRON wrote:It is absurd to go againt what the team with hundreds of engineers and some weathermen with access to radar tell you...
*Cough* Malaysian Grandprix qualifying session *cough*.

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ringo wrote:Those wins came about with luck.
You can try and justify those wins any way you like to fit what is going on in your head, but they were down to good judgement. Lucky once? Possibly. Lucky twice? No. As team mates both Button and Hamilton had exactly the same information available to them and they both interpreted it in ways that meant one of them won two races and the other didn't.
Jenson looks very average in all other races, where was the intelligence and experience in the other 4?
Swings and roundabouts. It's a mark of his approach, and there will be times when he'll be behind Hamilton or be outqualified by him. If you're hanging on to those specifics you're likely to be disappointed by the points haul at the end of the season. He's still leading the all conquering and extremely fast Hamilton in the championship, even with a nice cock-up from his team.
Instead of stating the wins, you should state the points score.
Well, quite, but since wins will be hard to come by for McLaren.......

I'm afraid you sound like one of those people in the eternal Prost versus Senna debate who cannot comprehend for the life of them why Prost outscored Senna even in 1988, and indeed in their entire time as team mates. I mean, Senna was this spectacularly fast and incredible driver. Surely he got better results?! It just cannot be possible....... :evil:

It doesn't work like that I'm afraid. People want it to be true, but it isn't.

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segedunum wrote:I'm afraid you don't get lucky more than once. There is a slight element of luck involved because Button gave himself a better chance than anyone else, but when it boils down to it that's good judgement and not luck. That's the way it works.
Button himself is proof that in fact you can get lucky more than once. In the first the judgement was that if it remained as it was he would be ok and took a gamble by changing tyres in the hope it wont get worse ie that the worst was past. In the second, he took the same gamble that that was as bad as the weather was going to get. So yes, all the engineers and weathermen in the world may not be able to tell you what the car is doing or behaving in the current track conditions, similarly a driver would be less able to predict what the weather is going to do. All he can do is take a gamble as Button did and hope it wont get worse. Not to take anything away from him but in both cases it was pure blind luck and not 'good judgement' that the weather was going to hold.
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Buttons tire strategy wasn't due to him being genius, it was desperation due to him wearing out the inters too fast while others managed to keep the treads just fine. So much for him being "smooth" and "easier on tires".

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segedunum wrote:
ringo wrote:Those wins came about with luck.
You can try and justify those wins any way you like to fit what is going on in your head, but they were down to good judgement. Lucky once? Possibly. Lucky twice? No. As team mates both Button and Hamilton had exactly the same information available to them and they both interpreted it in ways that meant one of them won two races and the other didn't.
Jenson looks very average in all other races, where was the intelligence and experience in the other 4?
Swings and roundabouts. It's a mark of his approach, and there will be times when he'll be behind Hamilton or be outqualified by him. If you're hanging on to those specifics you're likely to be disappointed by the points haul at the end of the season. He's still leading the all conquering and extremely fast Hamilton in the championship, even with a nice cock-up from his team.
Instead of stating the wins, you should state the points score.
Well, quite, but since wins will be hard to come by for McLaren.......

I'm afraid you sound like one of those people in the eternal Prost versus Senna debate who cannot comprehend for the life of them why Prost outscored Senna even in 1988, and indeed in their entire time as team mates. I mean, Senna was this spectacularly fast and incredible driver. Surely he got better results?! It just cannot be possible....... :evil:

It doesn't work like that I'm afraid. People want it to be true, but it isn't.
Aaah, you didn't know i was a prost fan did you? :lol:
I rate Prost a little higher than Senna. There are some aspects about Senna, prost will never be compared to, but Prost was more dominant over his career. But Button is nothing like Prost. Prost was a calculator not a gambler.

I can guarantee that Hamilton gets back those 11 points in the next race. 8)
Sounds crazy does it? But after seeing the last 6 races and the second half of 2009, the trends don't lie.
There are no swings and roundabouts with someones intelligence and experience.
He was simply lucky, had nothing to lose because he had just won a championship and will throw caution to the wind anytime he needs a desperate measure to beat superior drivers.

Button is a man who is willing to take short cuts. He wont win by the sweat of his brow.
His approach is to catalyze his race. Hamilton is as much as 1 second a lap faster than him, with the tyre care myth busted, and all other attempts to give hamilton a weakness, It's easy to think Button will show some desperation moving ahead.
The points haul will be what "hami fanboys" predicted. 2007, 2008, 2009, all good examples that set a trend to support my speculation. All factual data, Lewis Hamilton is very competitive and gets the most out of what he has.
Who would have thought that being 8th in the championship after 6 races last year he would have finished the best of the non redbull and brawn teams?
The man is simply a beast on the track.

And Hamilton has had more team cockups than button, so don't start with the excuses already. :lol: Some button fans are even calling for whitmarsh's resignation.
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Hangaku wrote:
BreezyRacer wrote:
Hangaku wrote:The thread is pretty much just a load of haters and fans, spouting the same crap on a different day, using different words. PLEASE, for the love of god, grow up.

We know that all the haters hate, and all the fans love, but get over it. It's like watching a bunch of monkeys throwing their faeces at each other, and it doesn't add anything of purpose to F1Technical.net.
So turn away fanboy .. no need to see what you don't want to see ..
Calling me a fanboy like it's some sort of derogatory term is quite genius, considering it's in my signature. Great contribution, well done #-o
Uh, why do you think I addressed you as such? Because it's your sig .. duh! Sorry to offend you

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ringo wrote:I can guarantee that Hamilton gets back those 11 points in the next race. 8)
Excellent, but I wouldn't be so bothered about the next race as I would the rest of the season.
He was simply lucky, had nothing to lose because he had just won a championship and will throw caution to the wind anytime he needs a desperate measure to beat superior drivers.
You can feel free to perform mental gymnastics in any way that you want, but the facts are that Hamilton and Button had the same information and the brains won. Those two races were not luck.
His approach is to catalyze his race. Hamilton is as much as 1 second a lap faster than him
Whatever. You think that if it gives you comfort. Even if it is true it's not sinking in that ultimate speed does not win in the current format.
...with the tyre care myth busted
Martin Whitmarsh, Australia: "If he could have made those tyres last....." It won't go away no matter how many times you try and repeat unsubstatitated nonsense.
2007, 2008, 2009, all good examples that set a trend to support my speculation.
Hamilton romped to good championship leads in 2007 and 2008, totally blew 2007 in the face of pressure and barely fell over the line in 2008. What you accuse Button of being last year is equally applied, and even more so.
And Hamilton has had more team cockups than button...
Where? Oh yer, the strategy cock-ups.....which Button 'luckily' applied his brain to. :lol:

The Hamilton fans are more than a little peeved that what was predicted at the start of the year has not transpired.......

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internetF1 fan

it is obvious that you didn't look at button's inters when they came off , personally I thought he had made a big mistake because there was ample tread and he changed to slicks
but , of course , he was right and I was wrong ... he thought he would get more grip and so he did
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lebesset wrote:internetF1 fan

it is obvious that you didn't look at button's inters when they came off , personally I thought he had made a big mistake because there was ample tread and he changed to slicks
but , of course , he was right and I was wrong ...he knew he thought he would get more grip and so he did
I guess you missed his radio transmission where he was crying about how he has lost all his grip and tires.

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Hamilton is only 11 points away from Button even with all the bad strategies and mechanical errors he had (sure button had 1 but he was like in p11 compared to p2 of Hamilton).

Can you imagine if Hamilton starts collecting points just like Button does? We'll see the next few races. 8)

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so he did , just like everyone else who was on the wrong tyres ...as events demonstrated , obviously you don't realise that ...I've lost all the grip ..is relative

perhaps if you had been in the tyre game you would realise that when you are on inters on a drying track , the more tread you have the worse off you are , if you look at the time sheets you will see that worn down inters are not too bad on a dry surface , lots of tread is like driving on ball bearings as it disintegrates
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