Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[SSS]

I dont think there will any improvement will Brawn is there. Its one thing missing targets. Its another thing not owning responsibility, continually making excuses and lying about it for years.

The rust in Mercedes starts from Brawn. Bob Bell has failed 2 times already and Aldo Costa- Geoff Willis have failed bigtime. Willis joined in October last year. By this time last year he was with Mercedes & the car is bad. Costa joined in Dec last year. The whole exhaust was his idea. It failed & bombed. The gains from the exhaust are negligible.

I think with some talented engineers in Mercedes even marcush with a couple of months of training can develop a better exhaust than the one's at Mercedes.

Compare Ferrari & Mercedes. Ferrari had a crap cap, missing Q3, Massa maybe didnt even make Q2 at times. The car was off the pace & not good at all. Mercedes had a car capable of fighting for the win. Look at the development.

Mercedes have 2 Reasonably Good Developments. Monaco package which was good. Exhaust Package which bombed. Ironically both these were tested in In-Season/Young Driver tests.

Such a matter of shame that apart from 10 Dud Frong Wings Mercedes have had 0 Development Package for the races apart from malfunctioning bits once every 7-8 races which you cant even identify.

After this instead of quitting & hanging his head in shame Ross Brawn feeds the BS that they were understand tyres & what not.

How many Exhaust have Ferrari tried? I thin they tried 3-4 one's in Pre-season all failed. Since then they have tried 3-4 different one's with substantial modifications during the season. There's another big modification coming. If a team can try 7-8 different versions of an exhaust to look for downforce, and then you look at Mercedes, you know why they suck.

I dont think they would even have tried Coanda. But maybe they hired Elliot and he informed that Lotus were trying for Coanda since months & they did not want to look like fools as the only team without it so they made this sloppy version of it.

[FoxHound]

On the other Lauda has said that Mercedes is building a completely new car for 2013, oh my god, once again the same thing...

Can you provide a source, or is it in the same story???

[diego1960]

SSS, to say that EVERYONE, meaning Bell, Willis, Costa and the people below have failed is completely wrong and unrealistic in my opinion. I am too very disappointed by Mercedes' fall from the top but I'm sure that there are some areas still working in the aerodynamics/design department or at the engine department. If everyone was useless they would produce a car inferior than HRT. Again, I am no fan of Brawn and he is maybe the main reason of the lack of direction and I would like to see him replaced but to go from one side to claim that Mercedes is slowly going forward (as some posters here do) to the other claiming that everyone is useless, doesn't seem right.

Mercedes continues to recruit, I recall sometime ago that there where adverts still on their website asking for qualified people in a number of positions, so that means that the structure isn't complete yet. Now, if Brawn is the right man to oversee that and help the team make a step forward is another question...

You just have to look the attention to detail in the WO3 compared to WO2 to understand that they are not all useless. This years car seems to be made by an F1 team, although a bad one, but the previous years looked like amateur arm-chair F1 fans dit the assembly.

[dren]

On the other Lauda has said that Mercedes is building a completely new car for 2013, oh my god, once again the same thing...

Can you provide a source, or is it in the same story???

They are completely new every year.

[FoxHound]

There are some familial traits that are kept year on year. If this is a clean sheet design, it would mean starting from 0.
I think this is actually a good thing for Mercedes when you consider the tyre issues they have suffered since it was Honda.
By setting the clock back to zero, and building up you can eliminate problems as they happen. Rather than the current trend of going backwards and still finding nothing.

If they build a car in 2013 with some elements kept for 2014, then I'm all for a clean slate design.

[dren]

SSS, that makes no sense what so ever. What is so wrong or bad about the exhaust the W03 uses now? It works, and the team is optimizing it. Just because the W03 hasn't had 2034783902 exhaust solutions doesn't mean the one they have now is junk.

[Vasconia]

On the other Lauda has said that Mercedes is building a completely new car for 2013, oh my god, once again the same thing...

Can you provide a source, or is it in the same story???

They are completely new every year.

Err........OK, I mean a caR which has a complete different design, not based on WO3.

It is in spanish, but accordinG to this source Laude made this comment to RTL:

http://www.caranddriverthef1.com/formul ... segun-laud

[dren]

I wasn't being a smartass, just figured Lauda was taken out of context since news is slow.

[clipsy1H]

guys Lauda is right ... next car (w04) will be completely different i mean more competitive than this but will be enough for championship? or for few win (except first 1-4 races where i'm sure w04 will be very strong)

[Cocles]

I dont think there will any improvement will Brawn is there. Its one thing missing targets. Its another thing not owning responsibility, continually making excuses and lying about it for years.

This is your opinion on how Brawn is handling the PRESS, but you're treating it as if it's your opinion on how Brawn is handling DAIMLER.

When it comes to being entitled to valuable info, you couldn't be further apart on the spectrum.

I get the impression that Mercedes AMG Petronas would just assume work behind a news blackout until they get their act together, but that's simply not viable, so they're forced to toss meaningless soundbites to the press.

[OppositeLock]

It's good news to my ears. I hope they put the passive drs on the shelf. I don't believe in a device that will have to be 'tuned' for every track and unknown variable. They need a solid base before they invest in trickery.

[marcush.]

oh ,the exhaust is not complete junk ..it´s exhausting the gas .Unfortunatelly others have found ways to make use of the exhaust plum to lower their lap times....MGP has maybe but only in homoeoptatic doses...they still struggle to beat Toro rosso if I´m correct and this was already race 3 with the good exhaust ,right?

[Vasconia]

I wasn't being a smartass, just figured Lauda was taken out of context since news is slow.

No problem, its always good to provide the source.

[Mika1]

The ''WO1-02-03'' project failed, so I think this is the right decision.

[dren]

What kind of major rethinking can go on with the W04 though? Everything has been fairly optimized across all the cars already. High nose, coanda exhaust, tight packaging, etc. They will have to can the DDR, so that' helps with packaging and likely chassis weight. There probably was some added weight to reinforce areas to accomodate the DDR. My only guess is that they will design the car around a coanda exhaust with focus on the diffuser and a car that is easier on the tires.