Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

If rosberg is championship winning material ..we don´t know .Berger and less so Coulthard at times looked like they could but for whatever reason it did never pan out .

As for our beloved MGP team -I don´t think they have or had crap people -how would you explain they were front runners at some point in the championship?
They lack direction and my feeling is they simply went from no Director to a horde of Directors within a few months and the
little time in between when Bell was in the lead alone resulted in the little high they had ...

Brawn had the idea to leave this group alone designing and building a proper car and now we are in the midst of a directorship war of competence and compromise
and as we all know compromise is rarely a quick process and it does not really lead itself to win win solutions but small common places

[ArchAngel]

...Michael have no hope for something nice in last 3 race .... he seemed so (i really don't know what word to say) ...

Let down, dejected, defeated, humbled, resigned... Yet at the same time totally relieved & unburdened that his "dithering" and its subsequent consequence has played out in such a way that mercifully spares him from having to endure this same cr@p and exercise in futility next year.

[elf341]

I must admit, for the first time since his comeback at the Indian Grand Prix I just started to look forward to when this farce can end for Schumacher.
His race pace was absolutely amazing compared to Rosberg, such a huge shame about the bad luck on the puncture.
The car also shows no signs of improving, and we have now not seen a single update since the coanda style exhaust.

Adrian Newey said on Sky yesterday that such is the lead time for parts that any thing for the last few races will have been finalised by now.

[yener]

I must admit, for the first time since his comeback at the Indian Grand Prix I just started to look forward to when this farce can end for Schumacher.
His race pace was absolutely amazing compared to Rosberg, such a huge shame about the bad luck on the puncture.
The car also shows no signs of improving, and we have now not seen a single update since the coanda style exhaust.

Adrian Newey said on Sky yesterday that such is the lead time for parts that any thing for the last few races will have been finalised by now.

Here another one hoping the struggle will end as soon as possible. I just cant see him being miserable in that car.

It would be great when Michael would immediatly drive in to the pits and retire in the last race.
That would say more than 1000 words.

[Cocles]

...and we have now not seen a single update since the coanda style exhaust.

A number of updates were mentioned in the W03 thread.

[elf341]

...and we have now not seen a single update since the coanda style exhaust.

A number of updates were mentioned in the W03 thread.

You're right, I forgot about the diffuser tweak, also in my head I had bracketed the new FW upper cascades with the new exhaust. I'm just very surprised that they have not come out with more things. Making the statement that the moving from a 50% to a 60% windtunnel made the difference between evaluating the new exhaust as a success or not, but then not seeing any tweaks in other areas of the car that have been the focus of other team's development I find very strange. Front wing endplate is one thing in particular that has not been developed by this team, but has been the continual focus of other's.

[elf341]

Just to clarify, when you make big changes to tools you use to evaluate idea success, you expect many new developments.
Whether those changes are a success or not on track is a different thing (i.e. is the new tool better than the old tool), but we don't appear to even see new parts tested on track!

[clipsy1H]

Please someone should shoot Ross and Haug..... so now they understand tires but have no pace
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103830/

[marcush.]

the rate of updates does not change with them .They are a slow developing team and that´s it.
It shows also during weekends when they seem to start ok on fridays only to be unable to make any significant progress.
Brawn is phantasising about tenths on the wrong side (?) when they actually lose a full second per lap to the front runners...but that is not even on Brawns agenda anymore he seems to look for ways to get the car into the small points again...works team ,anyone?

[munudeges]

What are the chances of Mercedes buying team Lotus / Sauber

Probably what they should have done, but those at the top of Daimler just didn't know enough or anything about Formula 1. They bought into what was sold to them about buying an already winning team and putting Michael Schumacher into it. What was a winning team then quickly turned into a three or a five year plan. I think Michael Schumacher was conned as well. I believe he saw Brawn winning in 2009, got sold on it by Haug and Brawn and thought things would continue that way.

[yener]

Please someone should shoot Ross and Haug..... so now they understand tires but have no pace
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103830/

Read my underline. It is placed about a month ago.

[Joie de vivre]

Higher the downforce the lower tire degredation. Is that really that hard to understand?

I know it's not that simple but it seems they don't even care about development. It took them more then a half of the season to implement coanda exhaust, they even removed cascades on front wing due to lack of rear downforce. And they don't understand tires? If you have no downforce the car will be more likely to oversteer and that will increase tire wear. And RedBull being fast in last sectors of Korea just shows how much downforce they create and still they were last pitting in India.

[user001]

I just wanna say: Red Bull has a budget of over 300 million euros. Mercedes about 140 mio euros. that should describe enough in terms of in season development capabilities and so forth....

don't know if they (merc) will increase the budget from next year on... just imagine: red bull for instance changed and rebuilt their car 31(!) times so far in this season. what about merc? 5-7?

enough said.

[Cam]

I just wanna say: Red Bull has a budget of over 300 million euros. Mercedes about 140 mio euros. that should describe enough in terms of in season development capabilities and so forth....

don't know if they (merc) will increase the budget from next year on... just imagine: red bull for instance changed and rebuilt their car 31(!) times so far in this season. what about merc? 5-7?

enough said.

Daimler is huge "The company has manufacturing facilities in 17 countries and employs about 260,000 staff" and I often wonder whether some 'testing' goes on in other locations under the guise of other projects. It's entirely conceivable (in fact it's what I'd do if I was in charge) that other locations/affiliated organisations could do development work completely outside the budget of the main F1 teams. Large manufactures could hide this development so easy, yet still publish correct tiny official figures. So I wouldn't draw too many conclusions of performance based on published figures that might be less than other teams.

They are obvisously doing okay as they just gave the $1M 2012 car to Shumacher - http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1n ... ction.html

[raymondu999]

Didn't Brawn pitch to the board a masterplan recently? I'm quite sure that with them investing in Hamilton and all that, their team budget will go up. Not an insane amount, but with whatever additional investments and budgeting Brawn had already outlined.