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[PierreW]

Russell cheated, calm and cold. Max was furious and pushed Russel the way he was pushed by him. It was vengeance.

Vengeance is much worse than cutting a chicane.

I disagree, cheating is worse than hot temper.

[Matt2725]

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

Russell got a drive through for cutting a chicane 7 days ago. Max got 10 seconds for a intentional collision.

If that's "harsher" then I'm not sure we have the same definition of the word.

Russell cheated, calm and cold. Max was furious and pushed Russel the way he was pushed by him. It was vengeance.

Exactly, so what Max did was worse. Thanks for confirming that.

[SB15]

Russell cheated, calm and cold. Max was furious and pushed Russel the way he was pushed by him. It was vengeance.

Vengeance is much worse than cutting a chicane.

This man defends Max for being obviously in the wrong action more than TeamLH ever could

[AR3-GP]

As far as I could see, ignoring the SC, then P3 was never under any threat. Red Bull did not have to look behind at all today.

Leclerc had a better tire allocation with two sets of mediums, 1 less stop, and he was still slower overall. He would have finished around 20 seconds behind Max if not for the safetycar. Leclerc only lost 5 seconds with Hamilton going slow in front. It doesn’t account for the race ending gap. When Max pitted for his final stop, Leclerc had 7 lap old medium tires, and was 10 seconds behind. Max extended that gap to 16 seconds just before the safetycar with only 8 laps left. Mercedes was nowhere.

If you can look past all the noise, there were still good indications. Definitely not as fast as Mclaren, but there was pace in hottest track temps of the year. Most races will not be this hot. Red Bull also are planning upgrades for the rear tire management.

[avantman]

As far as I could see, ignoring the SC, then P3 was never under any threat. Red Bull did not have to look behind at all today.

Leclerc had a better tire allocation with two sets of mediums, 1 less stop, and he was still slower overall. He would have finished around 20 seconds behind Max if not for the safetycar. Leclerc only lost 5 seconds with Hamilton going slow in front. It doesn’t account for the race ending gap. When Max pitted for his final stop, Leclerc had 7 lap old medium tires, and was 10 seconds behind. Max extended that gap to 16 seconds just before the safetycar with only 8 laps left. Mercedes was nowhere.

If you can look past all the noise, there were still good indications. Definitely not as fast as Mclaren, but there was pace in hottest track temps of the year.

yeah man, just wait for the very next upgrade and it's game ON !
your optimism is truly unyielding.

[McLarenHonda]

I think the penalty was unjustified. There's no proof that Verstappen intentionally hit Russell, and the accident was so minor, it didn't cause any danger or damage, that it shouldn't worth a penalty.

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

I don’t know what you’re talking about guys…

What else must an athlete do to get a penalty?? It wasn’t even a harsh penalty considering the offense!
Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and even Alonso have been penalized or even disqualified for way less!

Max has been getting away with a ton of offenses for years…moving under braking, pushing others off track, brake testing, retaliating on-track just to name a few! The only time he got a harsh penalty was Mexico 2024 and Herbert got fired for that!

The question is how on earth can you still say what Max did to Russell today wasn’t intentional…

[FittingMechanics]

I disagree, cheating is worse than hot temper.

Remember this next time Verstappen goes off track to stay ahead.

[AR3-GP]

As far as I could see, ignoring the SC, then P3 was never under any threat. Red Bull did not have to look behind at all today.

Leclerc had a better tire allocation with two sets of mediums, 1 less stop, and he was still slower overall. He would have finished around 20 seconds behind Max if not for the safetycar. Leclerc only lost 5 seconds with Hamilton going slow in front. It doesn’t account for the race ending gap. When Max pitted for his final stop, Leclerc had 7 lap old medium tires, and was 10 seconds behind. Max extended that gap to 16 seconds just before the safetycar with only 8 laps left. Mercedes was nowhere.

If you can look past all the noise, there were still good indications. Definitely not as fast as Mclaren, but there was pace in hottest track temps of the year.

yeah man, just wait for the very next upgrade and it's game ON !

You would be surprised. Red Bull setup the car in a compromised way including the mechanical setup and the rear wing because of the temperature problems at the rear. If this can be improved, the car can be set up in a less compromising way. This unlocks performance in the races.

It is not blind optimism. The Red Bull does not have to be faster than the Mclaren. That outcome is unlikely. It only has to be close, within 1-2 tenths. Max will do the rest. Even with the inferior car that he had today, he passed Lando Norris at the start and entered the DRS of Oscar Piastri. He executed a 3 stop strategy that forced the Mclarens to react on a day when they should have finished 30 seconds ahead.

[pantherxxx]

Car definitively improved in hot conditions compared to previous races. Mclaren used to have 7 tenths advantage, now it's only 3 tenths. But it's still not enough.

[PierreW]

I think the penalty was unjustified. There's no proof that Verstappen intentionally hit Russell, and the accident was so minor, it didn't cause any danger or damage, that it shouldn't worth a penalty.

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

I don’t know what you’re talking about guys…

What else must an athlete do to get a penalty?? It wasn’t even a harsh penalty considering the offense!
Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and even Alonso have been penalized or even disqualified for way less!

Max has been getting away with a ton of offenses for years…moving under braking, pushing others off track, brake testing, retaliating on-track just to name a few! The only time he got a harsh penalty was Mexico 2024 and Herbert got fired for that!

The question is how on earth can you still say what Max did to Russell today wasn’t intentional…

I disagree. Max started to get penalized last year for things that were perfectly fine before for everyone, and the FIA even had to change the rules to try to penalize him more. That was the only motive behind this change of rule.

It started to try to engineer a title challenge by Norris last year and the McLaren who had the best car but were lagging behind because Verstappen had build a solid gap he was defending masterfully. That's when the FIA started to target Verstappen in order to give a boost to McLaren title hopes.

[PierreW]

Car definitively improved in hot conditions compared to previous races. Mclaren used to have 7 tenths advantage, now it's only 3 tenths. But it's still not enough.

As Tsunoda proved?

[avantman]

Just watched Marko interview to Deutsche media, where Ralf Schumacher asked a question about another, third used set of 3 laps old soft. Marko said there was 3rd set but it was 7 laps old. was it really worse than the new hard?

[Magistos]

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

I don’t know what you’re talking about guys…

What else must an athlete do to get a penalty?? It wasn’t even a harsh penalty considering the offense!
Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and even Alonso have been penalized or even disqualified for way less!

Max has been getting away with a ton of offenses for years…moving under braking, pushing others off track, brake testing, retaliating on-track just to name a few! The only time he got a harsh penalty was Mexico 2024 and Herbert got fired for that!

The question is how on earth can you still say what Max did to Russell today wasn’t intentional…

I disagree. Max started to get penalized last year for things that were perfectly fine before for everyone, and the FIA even had to change the rules to try to penalize him more. That was the only motive behind this change of rule.

It started to try to engineer a title challenge by Norris last year and the McLaren who had the best car but were lagging behind because Verstappen had build a solid gap he was defending masterfully. That's when the FIA started to target Verstappen in order to give a boost to McLaren title hopes.

Targeting? Or finally starting to rein in (very belatedly) some of Max's more egregious tactics/habits/actions?

[Sergej]

Just watched Marko interview to Deutsche media, where Ralf Schumacher asked a question about another, third used set of 3 laps old set of soft. Marko said there was 3rd set but it was 7 laps old. was it really worse than the new hard?

of course not, it was a mistake, but they won't admit it.

[PierreW]

I don’t know what you’re talking about guys…

What else must an athlete do to get a penalty?? It wasn’t even a harsh penalty considering the offense!
Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and even Alonso have been penalized or even disqualified for way less!

Max has been getting away with a ton of offenses for years…moving under braking, pushing others off track, brake testing, retaliating on-track just to name a few! The only time he got a harsh penalty was Mexico 2024 and Herbert got fired for that!

The question is how on earth can you still say what Max did to Russell today wasn’t intentional…

I disagree. Max started to get penalized last year for things that were perfectly fine before for everyone, and the FIA even had to change the rules to try to penalize him more. That was the only motive behind this change of rule.

It started to try to engineer a title challenge by Norris last year and the McLaren who had the best car but were lagging behind because Verstappen had build a solid gap he was defending masterfully. That's when the FIA started to target Verstappen in order to give a boost to McLaren title hopes.

Targeting? Or finally starting to rein in (very belatedly) some of Max's more egregious tactics/habits/actions?

If Max had done what Leclerc did or what Russell did today to him, he would have been penalized. That's not what I call a fair enforcement of the rules. Also, when you change the rules, just to target one driver, I think that it's also very telling.