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[Bill]

Car definitively improved in hot conditions compared to previous races. Mclaren used to have 7 tenths advantage, now it's only 3 tenths. But it's still not enough.

As Tsunoda proved?

he still stuck with old car because of imola crash

[avantman]

Car definitively improved in hot conditions compared to previous races. Mclaren used to have 7 tenths advantage, now it's only 3 tenths. But it's still not enough.

As Tsunoda proved?

he still stuck with old car because of imola crash

I don't know what exactly do you consider an old car. but he got a new latest version of nose/front wing this time for example, not having it in monaco. what exactly was old on his car?

[Gillian]

As far as I could see, ignoring the SC, then P3 was never under any threat. Red Bull did not have to look behind at all today.

Leclerc had a better tire allocation with two sets of mediums, 1 less stop, and he was still slower overall. He would have finished around 20 seconds behind Max if not for the safetycar. Leclerc only lost 5 seconds with Hamilton going slow in front. It doesn’t account for the race ending gap. When Max pitted for his final stop, Leclerc had 7 lap old medium tires, and was 10 seconds behind. Max extended that gap to 16 seconds just before the safetycar with only 8 laps left. Mercedes was nowhere.

If you can look past all the noise, there were still good indications. Definitely not as fast as Mclaren, but there was pace in hottest track temps of the year. Most races will not be this hot. Red Bull also are planning upgrades for the rear tire management.

I get what you are saying but do take into account that even if Verstappen starts to beat both Mcl on a regular basis, both of them are likely to end in P2 and P3. It's still 15 races to go but still...

[avantman]

Watch the replay of incident with Leclerc from Max onboard. It is criminal really those things are getting unpunished. Also, I never rated Rosberg highly as a commentator, and today he again proved his poor quality being too fast saying Max turned into Charles, that was utterly unprofessional on top of being plain and utterly wrong..
Now I can get even more why Max started heating up. Ironically, people would never be talking about Charles deliberately driving into Max despite the fact he did that exactly.
https://streamff.com/v/87ae4e48

[organic]

We have to hope that the Canada rear corners will make a 'second half of the championship' situation where red bull don't have weaknesses in the heat. Otherwise it's over

Red bull heading towards summer break with Max sabotaging himself and the team being in 4th WCC position is something to keep an eye on

[vorticism]

Yeah, the trio of commentators were all guffawing in unison at the lap 64 incident. It either went over all their heads or Max got even them to reveal their bias. Live. On the air. Masterclassing non drivers off the racetrack during a race.

[AR3-GP]

We have to hope that the Canada rear corners will make a 'second half of the championship' situation where red bull don't have weaknesses in the heat. Otherwise it's over

Red bull heading towards summer break with Max sabotaging himself and the team being in 4th WCC position is something to keep an eye on

Everything will be clear by the last race before the break (Hungary). If the fully updated car can compete in the heat of Hungary, then there’s still something to play for.

[avantman]

HOpium has become akin to oxygen for Max's fans. Defines existence itself.

[organic]

We have to hope that the Canada rear corners will make a 'second half of the championship' situation where red bull don't have weaknesses in the heat. Otherwise it's over

Red bull heading towards summer break with Max sabotaging himself and the team being in 4th WCC position is something to keep an eye on

Everything will be clear by the last race before the break (Hungary). If the fully updated car can compete in the heat of Hungary, then there’s still something to play for.

I would say Austria is also one to watch

[PierreW]

The championship is lost now. McLaren cars are way better.

We can still hope that on some week end Max can some magic, that the RB team don't --- up completely, and that Max will dominate and win a few races like in Imola. That's the best we can hope. Don't care at all if RB finish 4th on the WCC, they don't deserve any better with that car they have built.

[ringo]

The hard tyre was the best choice. He would have went backward on the used soft.
What people are failing to remember is that Max made a mistake at the restart by spinning up the tyres and losing control of the car. Had he been easier on the throttle and accept that he may lose a place on the restart, he would have overtaken Leclerc when the hards warmed up.
His pace was very good on the hard. His three mistakes today were the restart, not avoiding Charles, His two run ins with his bestie George. Otherwise he would have been at worst P4 and at best P3.

The hard tyre was the bad choice. Nobody used the hard tyre in that race, for one simple reason, it sucked hard in the practice. Max wasn't aware that he was being put in the hard tyre and immediately noted that something was wrong with his tyre when he left the pit.

Max did not make any mistake, the tyres made him spin. He saved the car beautifully. The car had no grip and was terrible, especially after a safetycar.

His pace was very bad on the hard. He had no chance to do better than P5. With his old softs, he would have started P1 with only 6 laps remaining.

Reb Bull made the worst possible choice, and that would deserve the title of worst choice of the year in my opinion. It was even worse because it put Max on the backfoot and made him very angry.

I do not know where to begin.
Ok if you believe these things.

[mwillems]

I think the penalty was unjustified. There's no proof that Verstappen intentionally hit Russell, and the accident was so minor, it didn't cause any danger or damage, that it shouldn't worth a penalty.

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

Because whilst some are aggressive or defending a position, this was a premeditated move whose intent and design was only to hit another car. At least an aggressive defence has something to do with racing, that was just petty malice. Truly the behaviour of a hormonal teenager on a console.

You never know what's going to happen in the future, but he's cost himself a chunk of championship points that may yet mean something.

[ringo]

We have to hope that the Canada rear corners will make a 'second half of the championship' situation where red bull don't have weaknesses in the heat. Otherwise it's over

Red bull heading towards summer break with Max sabotaging himself and the team being in 4th WCC position is something to keep an eye on

Everything will be clear by the last race before the break (Hungary). If the fully updated car can compete in the heat of Hungary, then there’s still something to play for.

I would say Austria is also one to watch

McLaren will dominate there. The only weakness I see is the Mercedes Engine so far. One of them is due a engine blow out. Austria may strain the PU a little. But McLaren have solved any weaknesses that would should up in Austria's corners. Max may be a close 3rd again. Maybe it needs to rain there.

[Sergej]

I read a bit too much whishful thinking, by Budapest Max will be like 80-90 points behind, even if by then Red Bull will be on par with McLaren (and that's a huuuuuge if), good luck in making up that gap against two drivers always finishing in the podium.

[PierreW]

I think the penalty was unjustified. There's no proof that Verstappen intentionally hit Russell, and the accident was so minor, it didn't cause any danger or damage, that it shouldn't worth a penalty.

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

Because whilst some are aggressive or defending a position, this was a premeditated move whose intent and design was only to hit another car. At least an aggressive defence has something to do with racing, that was just petty malice. Truly the behaviour of a hormonal teenager on a console.

You never know what's going to happen in the future, but he's cost himself a chunk of championship points that may yet mean something.

I did not say it was good, but bad luck with the safety car, then Red Bull screwing him with the wrong tyres, then getting hit by both Leclerc and Russell with impunity and then Red Bull screwing him again by asking him to give the place to Russell , all of that, there was some serious reasons to be angry and to retaliate.

To me it's way more understandable than Russell plainly cheating in Monaco in cold blood.