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[PierreW]

I think the penalty was unjustified. There's no proof that Verstappen intentionally hit Russell, and the accident was so minor, it didn't cause any danger or damage, that it shouldn't worth a penalty.

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

Because whilst some are aggressive or defending a position, this was a premeditated move whose intent and design was only to hit another car. At least an aggressive defence has something to do with racing, that was just petty malice. Truly the behaviour of a hormonal teenager on a console.

You never know what's going to happen in the future, but he's cost himself a chunk of championship points that may yet mean something.

I doubt Max care for the P3 in the championship to be honest. Odds still favour him for that but he won't regret it if he does not finish 3rd.

[avantman]

It is not blind optimism. The Red Bull does not have to be faster than the Mclaren. That outcome is unlikely. It only has to be close, within 1-2 tenths. Max will do the rest. Even with the inferior car that he had today, he passed Lando Norris at the start and entered the DRS of Oscar Piastri. He executed a 3 stop strategy that forced the Mclarens to react on a day when they should have finished 30 seconds ahead.

Sorry to dissapoint you mate, but this is already where RB21 is relative to Mclaren. Yes, quite literally 2 tenths adrift according to their officials, Marko in this case. He said it today talking to german media after the race. I guess they at red bull do not rate Max as highly as you and I do.

[Wynters]

Watch the replay of incident with Leclerc from Max onboard. It is criminal really those things are getting unpunished. Also, I never rated Rosberg highly as a commentator, and today he again proved his poor quality being too fast saying Max turned into Charles, that was utterly unprofessional on top of being plain and utterly wrong..
Now I can get even more why Max started heating up. Ironically, people would never be talking about Charles deliberately driving into Max despite the fact he did that exactly.
https://streamff.com/v/87ae4e48

If Leclerc is in front, then he gets to dictate the line. At the point of the collision, who is in front?

[mwillems]

The FIA is harsher on Max than on anybody else.

Leclerc got no penalty for dangerous driving and colliding with Max on the straight. Russell got no penalty for "losing the control of his car" and colliding with Max pushing him into the escape zone.

Because whilst some are aggressive or defending a position, this was a premeditated move whose intent and design was only to hit another car. At least an aggressive defence has something to do with racing, that was just petty malice. Truly the behaviour of a hormonal teenager on a console.

You never know what's going to happen in the future, but he's cost himself a chunk of championship points that may yet mean something.

I doubt Max care for the P3 in the championship to be honest. Odds still favour him for that but he won't regret it if he does not finish 3rd.

But so what?

[PierreW]

Because whilst some are aggressive or defending a position, this was a premeditated move whose intent and design was only to hit another car. At least an aggressive defence has something to do with racing, that was just petty malice. Truly the behaviour of a hormonal teenager on a console.

You never know what's going to happen in the future, but he's cost himself a chunk of championship points that may yet mean something.

I doubt Max care for the P3 in the championship to be honest. Odds still favour him for that but he won't regret it if he does not finish 3rd.

But so what?

That means the points lost today will mean nothing. The last hope for Max was lost today when McLaren wasn't weakened by the TD about the frontwing.

[avantman]

I doubt Max care for the P3 in the championship to be honest. Odds still favour him for that but he won't regret it if he does not finish 3rd.

But so what?

That means the points lost today will mean nothing. The last hope for Max was lost today when McLaren wasn't weakened by the TD about the frontwing.

remember what those so-called red bull insiders that people were quoting here were saying. "they at red bull think mclaren will be nowhere after spain", "Red bull will have a car to beat mclaren after upgrades at Imola".. people were actually buying all that stuff at face value.
20 Mar
“I think their car is definitely capable of winning every race," Russell began. “Their car should win every race but I don’t think they will win every race this year. Let’s see."
“The gap they have this year on everybody is bigger than Red Bull has ever had. But when Max was in that [2023] car he was pretty reliable every single lap he did every single run in Q3, throughout qualifying, never really a question. Hopefully, we can be there to capitalise like we were at the [Melbourne] weekend, as that should have been a one-two for those guys"


Oh, that guy was so right, he was so right on all counts.

[mwillems]

I doubt Max care for the P3 in the championship to be honest. Odds still favour him for that but he won't regret it if he does not finish 3rd.

But so what?

That means the points lost today will mean nothing. The last hope for Max was lost today when McLaren wasn't weakened by the TD about the frontwing.

I see this and find it really strange. He's in a championship fight. Without his mistakes here today and at Jeddah he'd be more than close enough. One upgrade and you can match Mclaren, and we've seen all teams misfire so it's perfectly possible Mclaren might. The points he's thrown away with his poor start and going off track at Jeddah and with his actions today are important. Even if the car doesn't get faster, the Mclarens stand a good chance of getting physical later in the season and he's every chance of mopping up and getting right back in.

What he did today was unprofessional and selfish. Given how the team are struggling to retain personnel, the talk of a poor culture and their struggles with a car that can be driven by no one bar Max, this is exactly the kind of action that will make people doing their best at RB despair, especially those putting time in to give him the best car they can, even if it isn't the fastest today. Already there is an issue retaining the talent.

But you read a comments like yours and the equivalent "write to max" and they just follow on from the vibes at Red Bull, which is that it is all about Max. but it isn't, those brilliant people who've left RB were a big part of the reason Max was where he was. The irony is that his contract has a get out clause tied to points and that was another hatful down the drain today. I don't know if he'll leave, but Aston Martin must look very tempting right now.

[Magistos]

But so what?

That means the points lost today will mean nothing. The last hope for Max was lost today when McLaren wasn't weakened by the TD about the frontwing.

remember what those so-called red bull insiders that people were quoting here were saying. "they at red bull think mclaren will be nowhere after spain", "Red bull will have a car to beat mclaren after upgrades at Imola".. people were actually buying all that stuff at face value.
20 Mar
“I think their car is definitely capable of winning every race," Russell began. “Their car should win every race but I don’t think they will win every race this year. Let’s see."
“The gap they have this year on everybody is bigger than Red Bull has ever had. But when Max was in that [2023] car he was pretty reliable every single lap he did every single run in Q3, throughout qualifying, never really a question. Hopefully, we can be there to capitalise like we were at the [Melbourne] weekend, as that should have been a one-two for those guys"


Oh, that guy was so right, he was so right on all counts.

He really was. It was, in hindsight, a very measured, honest, and accurate assessment.

[PierreW]

But so what?

That means the points lost today will mean nothing. The last hope for Max was lost today when McLaren wasn't weakened by the TD about the frontwing.

I see this and find it really strange. He's in a championship fight. Without his mistakes here today and at Jeddah he'd be more than close enough. One upgrade and you can match Mclaren, and we've seen all teams misfire so it's perfectly possible Mclaren might. The points he's thrown away with his poor start and going off track at Jeddah and with his actions today are important. Even if the car doesn't get faster, the Mclarens stand a good chance of getting physical later in the season and he's every chance of mopping up and getting right back in.

What he did today was unprofessional and selfish. Given how the team are struggling to retain personnel, the talk of a poor culture and their struggles with a car that can be driven by no one bar Max, this is exactly the kind of action that will make people despair, especially those putting time in to give him the best car they can, even if it isn't the fastest today.

But you read a comments like this one at the equivalent "write to max" and they just follow on from the vibes at Red Bull, which is that it is all about Max. but it isn't, those brilliant people who've left RB were a big part of the reason Max was where he was. The irony is that his contract has a get out clause tied to points and that was another hatful down the drain today. I don't know if he'll leave, but Aston Martin must look very tempting right now.

Max was in a championship fight until yesterday. When it became clear that McLaren was still 0.5s faster than RB, then he realized, like everyone, than the championship was over.

Currently, Max is the only thing that prevented McLaren from doing 9/9. Without Max, McLaren would likely go 24/24 for the year. That's where we are unfortunately.

Max can now afford to lose plenty of points without real consequences. The only relief are fighting for victory or at least podium for his stats.

The Red Bull team does not deserve pitty and being babied. They deserve to be rocked, spanked and put under pressure in order to improve their monster of a car.

They crushed Lawson and Tsunoda already, right after destroying Perez. They can't be allowed to hide behind Max's genius. Not if we want to see change and improvements. Red Bull team should be in despair about how their car is performing.

[mwillems]

Oh my lordy

I can see you copied and pasted that right out of Sun Tzu's the art of running an F1 team, badly.

[Magistos]

[PierreW]

Oh my lordy

I can see you copied and pasted that right out of Sun Tzu's the art of running an F1 team.

Maybe you could build it, and they will come?

That's how successful teams or companies fall, the people who build it leave and then the people who stay or replaced them rest on their laurels and wrongly become complacent because they inherited from a great work but can't maintain it.

Red Bull is at this stage and Max is sounding the alarm bell while the technical team just released a car that crushed 3 drivers in less than one year. Yuki already look like a depressed man now. Max is righfully fed up by that.

I had rather see him getting mad and furious then being depressed , giving up , accepting mediocrity and ending up like Hamilton.

[avantman]

He really was. It was, in hindsight, a very measured, honest, and accurate assessment.

Oh, absolutely! They had such car already last year since Miami. This year their advantage only grew bigger and became truly comprehensive, unlike last year. I cannot think of single weak point of their current package.

[Wynters]

I had rather see him getting mad and furious then being depressed , giving up , accepting mediocrity and ending up like Hamilton.

You'd rather Verstappen got black flagged than have 7 WDCs and over 100 race wins? A history of beating 4 other WDCs in the same equipment? Be someone who competed for championships and beat an established WDC at the peak of his powers from his very first season? And without a constant reputation for crashing people off the road who are faster than him or needing the FIA to rig Championships? Yeah, I'm sure Verstappen would rather ram into people for no reason than end up matching Lewis Hamilton.

[PierreW]

I had rather see him getting mad and furious then being depressed , giving up , accepting mediocrity and ending up like Hamilton.

You'd rather Verstappen got black flagged than have 7 WDCs and over 100 race wins? A history of beating 4 other WDCs in the same equipment? Be someone who competed for championships and beat an established WDC at the peak of his powers from his very first season? And without a constant reputation for crashing people off the road who are faster than him or needing the FIA to rig Championships? Yeah, I'm sure Verstappen would rather ram into people for no reason than end up matching Lewis Hamilton.

I had rather see Verstappen get black flagged than ending up depressed and struggling like Hamilton now. That's a driver that look washed up and on the verge of crying after every race on own sad fate. Honestly it's a bad look and I don''t like Hamilton but seeing a champion like that finishing that badly is not good.