2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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evered7 wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 07:42
deadhead wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 07:10
ringo wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 04:27
https://i.postimg.cc/KYKKZ8S7/1U.jpg
Not bad!
RB and Merc were essentially running single car teams for this triple header so not sure if there is much to celebrate
If having a --- car is Ferrari's fault, having --- drivers or engine is the respective team's fault.

That Ferrari could lead despite a double DSQ in China shows how much the others have underperformed.

Ferrari have no business being there with a car that is consistently 4th or 5th fastest.

Props to the drivers. Maximised results every time.
Well, Mercedes were 2nd in 2023 with the 4th best car that was more consistent than Ferrari, Aston Martin and eventually McLaren turning up, so there is recent history of this happening.

Fortunately for the Tifosi, Ferrari actually seem to have identified the problems and have a fix in development, unlike Mercedes in this whole era.

Quite impressively is that Charles has collected 3 podiums with this bucket so far.

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dialtone wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 13:20
Those tires had to keep up with cars half the size and 70% of the weight and no electrical deployment.

Furthermore it’s the FIA that is forcing the tire manufacturers to make tires that have very specific requirements, and why other brands have pulled out.
True, and also a lot less downforce back then.

People complain about the tires in F1 now but we have no idea if any other manufactorer can do any better considering the enormous strain the current cars can put on their tires, which is probably more than ever before.

From that perspective, what Pirelli are doing is actually quite impressive.

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deadhead wrote:
dialtone wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 13:20
Those tires had to keep up with cars half the size and 70% of the weight and no electrical deployment.

Furthermore it’s the FIA that is forcing the tire manufacturers to make tires that have very specific requirements, and why other brands have pulled out.
True, and also a lot less downforce back then.

People complain about the tires in F1 now but we have no idea if any other manufactorer can do any better considering the enormous strain the current cars can put on their tires, which is probably more than ever before.

From that perspective, what Pirelli are doing is actually quite impressive.
Forgot the imho most important aspect: no testing through the year.

They are literally building a tire in a lab and hoping it works when attached to a car with very minimal testing of 3 dates a year with a single team.

Back in the days of michelin and bridgestone they had unlimited testing.

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DJ Downforce
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The team must work like dogs to get this suspension to Canada if not Austria. Silverstone is too late and there's a 3 week break after meaning it will take a long time to verify data for future updates

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DJ Downforce wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 17:20
The team must work like dogs to get this suspension to Canada if not Austria. Silverstone is too late and there's a 3 week break after meaning it will take a long time to verify data for future updates
Silverstone or Spa are more plausible

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https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1929571350772883961

Look at Lewis rear end, absolutely no grip whatsoever.

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how did Ferrari with bigger wing still didn't have enough read end grip? also newer tyre..

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Fakepivot wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 21:45
how did Ferrari with bigger wing still didn't have enough read end grip? also newer tyre..
I do not think Lewis put on new tyres for the safety car pitstop. All of his soft tyres were used up.
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ringo wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 21:47
Fakepivot wrote:
03 Jun 2025, 21:45
how did Ferrari with bigger wing still didn't have enough read end grip? also newer tyre..
I do not think Lewis put on new tyres for the safety car pitstop. All of his soft tyres were used up.
Everyone in the top 10 had soft with an outlap, push lap and inlap, outside Hulkenberg who had brand new soft tyres and Max with new hard tyres.

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Ferrari leading the title fight with the 4th-best car is peak 2025 energy. At this point, the chaos gods must be wearing red shirts and sipping espresso in Maranell.

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Will Ferrari fire Lewis on the end of year? It is hard to watch how slow he is(last few years), at same time Lecler finish on 3rd place.
Is it possible that drivers become so much slower with age or he was simply average driver in top car?

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Honestly I don’t understand what Ferrari is doing anymore. We’re halfway through 2025 and the car is still unpredictable. One race it looks okay, next race it’s nowhere. Leclerc keep saying that they both have similar styles.. not even close, it's smoke and mirrors. They’ve clearly built the SF-25 around Leclerc input, but what’s the point if not delivering results. Ok, Leclerc might win a race or two in a season, but that’s not how you fight for a title. Even some ex-drivers have started pointing out the obvious as the reds might be putting their energy into the wrong direction. Hamilton will deliver if you give him the right car.. he’s proven it seven times. So why aren’t Ferrari putting more focus on him instead? And I’m not saying Leclerc is a bad driver, he’s fast.. for sure, but if they keep developing the car with his preferences in mind, they’ll just keep getting the same outcome.. no real title shot. If Leclerc is truly as adaptable as people claim then he should be able to adjust. What’s stopping them? Hamilton has experience, racecraft and knows what it takes to win under pressure. The real mystery isn’t why the car’s inconsistent .. it’s why Ferrari keeps making the same mistakes year after year. If they want a real shot at a championship again, they need to shift direction and fast.
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ah, there we go...
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hsg wrote:
04 Jun 2025, 09:53
Will Ferrari fire Lewis on the end of year? It is hard to watch how slow he is(last few years), at same time Lecler finish on 3rd place.
Is it possible that drivers become so much slower with age or he was simply average driver in top car?
Lewis sells caps and bigs Leclerc up. Almost a perfect scenario. Ferrari effectively fired Vettel and signed Sainz as a numero due, it's clear as day. How could anyone even question that when we've been told that:
Binotto sees the new 'Schumacher' in Leclerc: 'Clear leader on the track'
''I think we now have Charles. Of course he is not as experienced as Michael was then, because he is not yet a world champion and Michael already was. However, we do have a clear leader on the track and we have the commitment as a whole organisation to build another winning team'', says Binotto in the podcast Beyond the Grid.
''Michael was already a leader when he came to Ferrari, while Charles is still developing as a leader. This year he drives better than last year. With a difficult car he is very constant this year and he knows how to continuously adapt himself on different tracks, in order to get the most out of the car''.
Binotto really sees his leader's intention to bring Ferrari back to the top. ''He is very involved with the team and the people at Ferrari feel that too. I like how he is part of the Ferrari family. He behaves exemplary and I appreciate his involvement'', concludes the team boss of the Italian team.
Binotto there act just as a mouthpiece. That was not just his own view but the view of Ferrari top management. That was and still is their long-term strategy.

Sainz, as it turned out was a bit too fast to be a genuine number two, Charles would always be ahead of. Sainz would reject orders being still young and ambitious, despite being still a weaker and inferior driver.

Do any of us believe they really were ever thinking they are signing him to win him the 8th?
A guy who was crashed by Russell never had a chance to beat Leclerc over a year, unless he gets a very unlucky/unreliable season with multiple DNFs and penalties. I think Ferrari bosses understood that. He is simply much better choice as a numero due. More natural choice. You do not want to have two closely matched drivers if you want to win a World Championship. Ferrari knows it better than any other team on the grid. Their drivers choices of the past two decades clearly show that. Nothing has changed in their long-term strategy.
The fact that Lewis is consistently slower is a good rather than bad thing. That is what they thought they would get when they signed Sainz.
So why fire Lewis now? I cannot see that. Lewis is as great of a marketing tool a ever. I bet it was Lewis who single-handedly brought title sponsor HP. And fire him now because he's scored few points less than he probably should've scored?
Edit: I also had a suspicion, they at Ferrari started to question if Charles was really that good they always thought he is. Because I think most thought he would trash Sainz more comfortably and consistently. Part of the reason why they decided to go with Lewis was that, a desire to get confirmation. Because if Charles struggled to beat a 40 years old, if it would be again too close, then surely Charles was not a new Michael. Now they got a confirmation, which automatically bigs Charles' and his self confidence up. Not only Ferrari, Charles as well gets another confirmation. Surely you want a driver that had two multiple champions in that same red car and beat, trashed even them both.
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hsg wrote:
04 Jun 2025, 09:53
Will Ferrari fire Lewis on the end of year? It is hard to watch how slow he is(last few years), at same time Lecler finish on 3rd place.
Is it possible that drivers become so much slower with age or he was simply average driver in top car?
I guess those 7 world titles just appeared out of thin air while he was taking a nap. Meanwhile Leclerc’s been with Ferrari for how long and still hasn’t mounted a serious title challenge. But sure, let’s fire Hamilton after 5 races in a car developed for someone else.. sunds legit. This is is typical poor leadership.. yhey bring in the best, drop him into the worst structure, then expect him to sweep decades of dysfunction under the rug in five races.
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