Italian GP 2011 - Autodromo Nazionale Monza

[ringo]

FIA didn't send a warning to him officially.

And leaving space is code word for give a position instead of get a drive through.

You've admitted it yourself.

The regulations doesn't say three strikes you are out. Neither does it say you can receive unofficial coded warnings for plea bargain deals.

Unliek Hamilton MSC was not weaving throughout the entire track multiple times. He made 2 moves to defend his position once (unlike Lewis who in the hooning incident).

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in Zimbabwe?

Again you simply don't know the rules. And you clearly admit to corruption from the stewards and race control without even realizing.

[timbo]

The regulations doesn't say three strikes you are out. Neither does it say you can receive unofficial coded warnings for plea bargain deals.

Neither do regulations stipulate any sort of punishment. It's all for stewards to decide. Also, it is logical that such violations are held as being less dangerous that causing an accident, as they are reversible as it is easy to give back advantage.

[marcush.]

hate him or love him ,Schumacher made this race very entertaining and he showed a performance well above the class of the car .Absolutely no doubt he would have won races in a RedBull or Mclaren or Ferrari this year.

Certainly Vettel is now a much improved racer and has gained a lot of confidence now it is all but a formality he will be champ for the second year in a row.

[donskar]

Great car, very good driver = season to forget. Great drive by Button.

[thestig84]

Great car, very good driver = season to forget. Great drive by Button.

Maybe a championship battle to forget but definitely not a season to forget. We have had some great racing this year.

Also while Im not a DRS fan its nice not being able to remember when I last heard a driver say I was in the dirty air and just couldnt pass.

[vall]

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Shu had a good guy to learn those tricks from! Senna fought tough as Shu did exacrtly the same today. I saw nothing wrong. I see no reason to complain so much. If you cannot move to defend, then what? With KESR and DRS you are really a sitting duck! This is not F1!!! Stop complaining and enjoy the fights. These days we do not many - DRS ruins it.

[raymondu999]

For what it's worth:

So. Just talking to Charlie Whiting race director. He assures me Stewards are free to raise any issues for investigation as they want to.

[Traction]

Cheers Intego; so I was talking of the wrong move. Bloody commercials.

Also; just a clip I found of Vettel's slide in Ascari from onboard; absolutely great stuff: http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/201 ... fying.html

Thanks for that....superb!

[ringo]

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Shu had a good guy to learn those tricks from! Senna fought tough as Shu did exacrtly the same today. I saw nothing wrong. I see no reason to complain so much. If you cannot move to defend, then what? With KESR and DRS you are really a sitting duck! This is not F1!!! Stop complaining and enjoy the fights. These days we do not many - DRS ruins it.

Well you say that now. I hope the message is consistent in the following races.
As i kinda see the inconsistencies in opinion on these things.
Keep in mind certain things that were legal then are not legal now. The past is not a good example.

With KESR and DRS you are really a sitting duck! This is not F1!!!

I couldn't agree more, i like hardcore racing, but the rules are what we have to work with, and the merry go round DRS passes and "leave enough room " is what is accepted by most here; at least with certain drivers. Rules are rules. But i'll stop posting on this, as there was a few go arounds in the regs today, concerning Article 16.3 and 20.1 ,on the race director's part, but i don't want to overload the thread.
Double standards, always existed in the sport, so what can you do.

Just remember, you yourself admitted to hard racing. I don't want to see any whining from anyone else after today in the following races.

Aggression is the standard and plea bargains. Love it. On to the next 6 races.

[Mr.S]

FIA didn't send a warning to him officially.

And leaving space is code word for give a position instead of get a drive through.

You've admitted it yourself.

The regulations doesn't say three strikes you are out. Neither does it say you can receive unofficial coded warnings for plea bargain deals.

Unliek Hamilton MSC was not weaving throughout the entire track multiple times. He made 2 moves to defend his position once (unlike Lewis who in the hooning incident).

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in Zimbabwe?

Again you simply don't know the rules. And you clearly admit to corruption from the stewards and race control without even realizing.

ROSS BRAWN himself saying he received a warning holds much more importance than an ignorant fanboy's weird conspiracy theory. Had FIA not told him Ross would not have gone public.

The Zimbabwe analogy is not funny if it was meant to be. I dont think the rules specify a drive through penalty for once in the whole race(& not twice like you claim) defending twice. Maybe the stewards took a decision to send an official warning rather than a penalty which has no co-relation to Hamilton's punishment. Hamilton was weaving across the entire track 3-4 times in a straight time & again. The two incidents are like apples & oranges & only a Lewis fanboy will compare them.Besides as i said before Ross' words have more authenticity than a Lewis fanboys's.

[Ray]

Button had zero problems passing Schumacher so I don't see what all the whining and crying is about.

[ajdavison2]

FIA didn't send a warning to him officially.

And leaving space is code word for give a position instead of get a drive through.

You've admitted it yourself.

The regulations doesn't say three strikes you are out. Neither does it say you can receive unofficial coded warnings for plea bargain deals.

Unliek Hamilton MSC was not weaving throughout the entire track multiple times. He made 2 moves to defend his position once (unlike Lewis who in the hooning incident).

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in Zimbabwe?

Again you simply don't know the rules. And you clearly admit to corruption from the stewards and race control without even realizing.

ROSS BRAWN himself saying he received a warning holds much more importance than an ignorant fanboy's weird conspiracy theory. Had FIA not told him Ross would not have gone public.

The Zimbabwe analogy is not funny if it was meant to be. I dont think the rules specify a drive through penalty for once in the whole race(& not twice like you claim) defending twice. Maybe the stewards took a decision to send an official warning rather than a penalty which has no co-relation to Hamilton's punishment. Hamilton was weaving across the entire track 3-4 times in a straight time & again. The two incidents are like apples & oranges & only a Lewis fanboy will compare them.Besides as i said before Ross' words have more authenticity than a Lewis fanboys's.

If I'm right in thinking that your referring to Ham vs Pet MAL 2010, then his weaving on the straight was given a reprimand, and then following that the rules were cleared up as Hamilton was moving to break the slipstream, not to block the overtake. After this the rules were cleared up about making more than one move when defending, so what your saying isn't technically correct if I've understood right MR.S, as Ham didn't actually break the rule as it wasn't really in force till after that GP.

[HampusA]

Anyways Monza 2011 for me proves once again that Hamilton does not have "IT". A very quick race with sub-human intelligence who would probably never be one of the greats. Would not have half the composure MSC had when he was being lapped around by Hamilton & Vettel. I wold like to see Lewis's reaction in those situations.


Anyways Lewis does not have the 1 lap raw speed as Vettel(who is absolutely the best qualifier since Senna). Neither does he have the intelligence & patience or Button or the absolute package that Alonso is.

Guess he should be happy being a No. 2 to Button for this season. Button has got Hamilton's measure. Lewis's raw speed is barely giving a tenth or a couple over Jenson.

Guess Lewis should be happy that being a 1 TIME CHAMPION. That is where he belongs.

Are you serious?
Everyone who knows a little bit of F1 or what these guys did before coming to F1 would disagree with you.

You are the person that watches the Red Bull on TV, see Vettel winning and then claim he´s the best driver in the world not facing that fact that Alonso and Hamilton have --- cars and the playing field Vettel´s by himself.

Hamilton is driving so hard to compensate for the crap car he has under him.
His first year ever in F1 should shut the mouth of any doubter on Hamiltons skills in F1.

[PlatinumZealot]

Button had zero problems passing Schumacher so I don't see what all the whining and crying is about.

Yes, I agree one hundred percent.


On Vettel, he is going to be a 2X Champion and no real rival in sight. Too bad Webber's wasting the other seat in such a wonderful machine.

I fully realised that NO other car will be able to win a race "pace for pace" after seeing what Vettel did to Alonso's Ferrari at the start of the race. I mean what the hell was that? How do you explain that? Can't explain that one..

[HampusA]

Cheers Intego; so I was talking of the wrong move. Bloody commercials.

Also; just a clip I found of Vettel's slide in Ascari from onboard; absolutely great stuff: http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/201 ... fying.html

That if anything is a true testament to how incredibly fine the balance in that car is. It just does everything you ask of it and never complains.

Must be a real treat to drive that car.