if you look at the race again you will see that glock did brilliantly to keep the car on the track using dry tyres
why would anyone insult him ?
Looking back ,In China, i would say yes. But otherwise no, all because of red bull and nothing else.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz![]()
In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please
What had me in stitches is when Hamilton said he didnt want to be remembered as a "tainted champion" in reference to MS.andrew wrote:Honest answer? That'll be a no then.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz![]()
In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please
As for Glock slowing down, possible. It was wet and Glock was on slicks so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me though (McLaren).
Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
I must say all penalties he got in 2008 were all well deserved. We all know that 2008 was the season with so many "if's", that unfortunately happen to work in one direction only. There were quite a few if's in 2007 as well.ringo wrote:Shumacher should act with more grace! Yet to admit he did anything wrong in his career.
The 2008 championship is one of the most memorable and emotional. Mclaren snatched victory from the Jaws of defeat. That championship was his, both 2007 and 2008. The FIA dished out so many penalties, and yet the guy still managed to succeed.
Ain't what the record books say though...andrew wrote: Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
Why would anyone admit to doing somethignwrong when they clearly hadn't. Don't make sense that.ringo wrote:Shumacher should act with more grace! Yet to admit he did anything wrong in his career.
His championship is very much tainted. Won it is a silver Ferrari. How McLaren were not chucked out of the championship that year is amazing.johnsonseviltwin wrote:What had me in stitches is when Hamilton said he didnt want to be remembered as a "tainted champion" in reference to MS.
Really? Winning a championship on the final corner when Glock(admittedly on slicks) was scrabbling away in the Toyota is hardly glorious now is it?
His comments do have a hint of bitterness about them. Lewis revered Senna as his F1 idol, he should take a leaf out the Brazilian genius book and act with more grace.
and why they committed to stop the car development in several areas? They clearly made a deal with FIA. As a matter of fact, if FAI was not so political many thing have been quite different now....JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:No Ferari bit were found to be on the car Andrew.
The biggest gain was when they found out about the Nitrogen ferrari used to inflate the tyres. The rest Mclaren couldnt reverse engineer..
Is this a joke?andrew wrote:Honest answer? That'll be a no then.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz![]()
In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please
As for Glock slowing down, possible. It was wet and Glock was on slicks so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me though (McLaren).
Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
You have to prove these two points.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Leiws is fast, yes. In a straight fight over 20 laps, or even a single qualy lap, Lewis is demonstrably quicker in 6 or 7 out of 10 instances.
However, an old fable by Aesop does give some gravitas to being a slow fart at times.
Hamilton cannot hope to be as kind on tyres as Button. Right or wrong, you cannot dispute this glaring occurence. And as time goes on in certain races there will be a stage when lewis will be pining for the chequred flag with some distance to go!
This isnt a criticism, it just a fact of life under current tyre rules.
Lewis needs to race with his head too, and until that happens he will not be the finished article.
Regards Schumacher, why does he have to admit mistakes? Lewis doesnt have to either.
But learning from them is a different matter.
Did you see or hear Schumi Lambast Ferrari in the early (engine popping) days?
Nope...
I felt for hammy in spain I really did, his body language said 10 million words to me. He acted like a champion that race, only for Monaco to blotch the copy book once more.
Thank you very much. How in the world can Massa deserve to be champion, and had to depend on team orders?mkay wrote:Is this a joke?andrew wrote:Honest answer? That'll be a no then.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz![]()
In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please
As for Glock slowing down, possible. It was wet and Glock was on slicks so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me though (McLaren).
Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
You conveniently forgot that Massa was gifted a win (a bonus 4 points) at Spa, and that Kimi had to let him through in order to stay alive in the championship. Oh, and that he ruined Lewis' race in Japan by ramming into him.
Hamilton has likely broken the record for most penalties in a season (some of them were totally unwarranted) but still won the WDC, despite some small mistakes on his part but also some crucial ones from the team (why run a low-downforce config when rain was forecasted in Brazil!?!).