Is Hamilton desperate or what?

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if you look at the race again you will see that glock did brilliantly to keep the car on the track using dry tyres
why would anyone insult him ?
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Read the post again. I don't insult Glock anywhere. I do, however admit to insulting McLaren.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz :?

In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please :lol:
Looking back ,In China, i would say yes. But otherwise no, all because of red bull and nothing else.
Button has never looked like he could win a race from the beginning, but he has won 2, because of surprising turn of events in the races that propelled him to the front without having to overtake on track to get there.
However for the rest of the season, it looks like Hamilton can win about 5 races to me.
He can win turkey if things go well, Maybe Monza, Canada, Hungary, Spa, Abu Dahbi. Who knows?
I don't see Button beating him in any races, on pure ability, much less beating or splitting the red bulls.

The good thing with Lewis is that you can actually visualize him doing all he can to win. It seems feasible because you just can't count him out. Button now, i wish him all the luck he can get, but it's hard to say which tracks he stands a chance of winning looking ahead.
He can try his luck in brazil if it rains sporadically. But the laps are so short, pitting on the wrong lap is not disastrous or pitting just right is not very advantageous.
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andrew wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz :?

In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please :lol:
Honest answer? That'll be a no then.

As for Glock slowing down, possible. It was wet and Glock was on slicks so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me though (McLaren).

Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
What had me in stitches is when Hamilton said he didnt want to be remembered as a "tainted champion" in reference to MS.
Really? Winning a championship on the final corner when Glock(admittedly on slicks) was scrabbling away in the Toyota is hardly glorious now is it?

His comments do have a hint of bitterness about them. Lewis revered Senna as his F1 idol, he should take a leaf out the Brazilian genius book and act with more grace.
More could have been done.
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Shumacher should act with more grace! Yet to admit he did anything wrong in his career.

The 2008 championship is one of the most memorable and emotional. Mclaren snatched victory from the Jaws of defeat. That championship was his, both 2007 and 2008. The FIA dished out so many penalties, and yet the guy still managed to succeed.

Glock should not even be so far up the standings anyway, He took a gamble, but he's no Jenson, so it back fired. :lol:
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ringo wrote:Shumacher should act with more grace! Yet to admit he did anything wrong in his career.

The 2008 championship is one of the most memorable and emotional. Mclaren snatched victory from the Jaws of defeat. That championship was his, both 2007 and 2008. The FIA dished out so many penalties, and yet the guy still managed to succeed.
I must say all penalties he got in 2008 were all well deserved. We all know that 2008 was the season with so many "if's", that unfortunately happen to work in one direction only. There were quite a few if's in 2007 as well.

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andrew wrote: Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
Ain't what the record books say though...

I don't think Massa will ever win the title. I think 2008 was his one shot and he/Ferrari dropped the ball a couple of times which left the door slightly open for Hamilton. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Both drivers had some unfortunate problems during the season (particularly Massa suffering 2 DNFs to Hamilton's 1 DNF) but I think Hamilton's victory at Silverstone showed his class/ability and just for that I think he deserved the title.

And as for the FIA gifting Massa the win at Spa...(Sorry, that'll probably reignite the debate again!)
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Leiws is fast, yes. In a straight fight over 20 laps, or even a single qualy lap, Lewis is demonstrably quicker in 6 or 7 out of 10 instances.
However, an old fable by Aesop does give some gravitas to being a slow fart at times.

Hamilton cannot hope to be as kind on tyres as Button. Right or wrong, you cannot dispute this glaring occurence. And as time goes on in certain races there will be a stage when lewis will be pining for the chequred flag with some distance to go!

This isnt a criticism, it just a fact of life under current tyre rules.

Lewis needs to race with his head too, and until that happens he will not be the finished article.

Regards Schumacher, why does he have to admit mistakes? Lewis doesnt have to either.
But learning from them is a different matter.

Did you see or hear Schumi Lambast Ferrari in the early (engine popping) days?
Nope...
I felt for hammy in spain I really did, his body language said 10 million words to me. He acted like a champion that race, only for Monaco to blotch the copy book once more.
More could have been done.
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ringo wrote:Shumacher should act with more grace! Yet to admit he did anything wrong in his career.
Why would anyone admit to doing somethignwrong when they clearly hadn't. Don't make sense that.
johnsonseviltwin wrote:What had me in stitches is when Hamilton said he didnt want to be remembered as a "tainted champion" in reference to MS.
Really? Winning a championship on the final corner when Glock(admittedly on slicks) was scrabbling away in the Toyota is hardly glorious now is it?

His comments do have a hint of bitterness about them. Lewis revered Senna as his F1 idol, he should take a leaf out the Brazilian genius book and act with more grace.
His championship is very much tainted. Won it is a silver Ferrari. How McLaren were not chucked out of the championship that year is amazing.

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No Ferari bit were found to be on the car Andrew.
The biggest gain was when they found out about the Nitrogen ferrari used to inflate the tyres. The rest Mclaren couldnt reverse engineer..
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:No Ferari bit were found to be on the car Andrew.
The biggest gain was when they found out about the Nitrogen ferrari used to inflate the tyres. The rest Mclaren couldnt reverse engineer..
and why they committed to stop the car development in several areas? They clearly made a deal with FIA. As a matter of fact, if FAI was not so political many thing have been quite different now....

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Still had information that they shouldn't have had. No Ferrari bits maybe but certainly they were involved in something very dodgy.

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andrew wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz :?

In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please :lol:
Honest answer? That'll be a no then.

As for Glock slowing down, possible. It was wet and Glock was on slicks so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me though (McLaren).

Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
Is this a joke?

You conveniently forgot that Massa was gifted a win (a bonus 4 points) at Spa, and that Kimi had to let him through in order to stay alive in the championship. Oh, and that he ruined Lewis' race in Japan by ramming into him.

Hamilton has likely broken the record for most penalties in a season (some of them were totally unwarranted) but still won the WDC, despite some small mistakes on his part but also some crucial ones from the team (why run a low-downforce config when rain was forecasted in Brazil!?!).

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Leiws is fast, yes. In a straight fight over 20 laps, or even a single qualy lap, Lewis is demonstrably quicker in 6 or 7 out of 10 instances.
However, an old fable by Aesop does give some gravitas to being a slow fart at times.

Hamilton cannot hope to be as kind on tyres as Button. Right or wrong, you cannot dispute this glaring occurence. And as time goes on in certain races there will be a stage when lewis will be pining for the chequred flag with some distance to go!

This isnt a criticism, it just a fact of life under current tyre rules.

Lewis needs to race with his head too
, and until that happens he will not be the finished article.

Regards Schumacher, why does he have to admit mistakes? Lewis doesnt have to either.
But learning from them is a different matter.

Did you see or hear Schumi Lambast Ferrari in the early (engine popping) days?
Nope...
I felt for hammy in spain I really did, his body language said 10 million words to me. He acted like a champion that race, only for Monaco to blotch the copy book once more.
You have to prove these two points.
I don't get why people entertain this idea that he does not race with his head. He is a very smart racer. No one can be that masterful at overtaking and not use their head. that's just not possible. His 2 overtakes on shumacher in china and also what he did to sutil, Vettel, the weaving in Malaysia are all instances where he uses his head to enhance his racing.
His ability to find grip in the wet also demonstrates intelligent driving.
There is more evidence to suggest Hamilton uses his head than anything else. And also no solid one to suggest his teammate use his better. I feel this idea is an attempt to give hamilton a weakness and put him on a level with other average drivers. A driver can be blindingly fast and have intelligence you know, it's not a sin.
It's not like a video game where you're only given a limited amount of abilities to distribute for either intelligence, tyre care, speed. etc. A driver can be completely superior to another in all departments, or equal in some and better in most.

Who can honestly say at what times Hamilton has ever struggled with tyre wear due to his own driving? Button has struggled on his intermediates in Australia, struggled with his rears in Malaysia, and may have well struggled in Monaco. Hamilton has been very quiet when it comes to tyre issues.
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mkay wrote:
andrew wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Its a fair point when you say his driving isnt responsible for his ill fortune.
However I remember Whitmarsh saying he was a bit hard on his tyres in Oz :?

In terms of Victories though, Button won and led pretty much start to finish, Has Hamilton looked like winning this year? Honest answer please :lol:
Honest answer? That'll be a no then.

As for Glock slowing down, possible. It was wet and Glock was on slicks so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me though (McLaren).

Massa is the true 2008 champion. He simply drove a better season.
Is this a joke?

You conveniently forgot that Massa was gifted a win (a bonus 4 points) at Spa, and that Kimi had to let him through in order to stay alive in the championship. Oh, and that he ruined Lewis' race in Japan by ramming into him.

Hamilton has likely broken the record for most penalties in a season (some of them were totally unwarranted) but still won the WDC, despite some small mistakes on his part but also some crucial ones from the team (why run a low-downforce config when rain was forecasted in Brazil!?!).
Thank you very much. How in the world can Massa deserve to be champion, and had to depend on team orders?
What kind of champion gets hand outs and freebies? :wtf:
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