2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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max_speed wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 04:45
Simple solution Ditch honda and go to mercedes as customer. bold calls have to be made. most incompetent manufacturer on planet is honda. they should be banned from sport. how can audi be better than them in their first year of sport. deabte should rest here
It's not a simple solution, and it's basically impossible. Mercedes can't supply engines to five teams on the grid, including themselves, especially since they already want to reduce that number.

As I said at the beginning of the year, no other engine supplier wants to supply engines to Aston Martin, knowing they have Adrian Newey on the team. The only option for AM, besides Honda, with any chance of happening is Audi. However, the chances of Audi agreeing to supply engines are minimal.

Maybe Honda leaves F1, forcing Audi, under FIA rules, to supply engines to AM due to having the fewest customer teams. Or, with more luck, they might make an exception for Audi as a new manufacturer, shifting that responsibility to Ferrari.

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edu2703 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 12:42
max_speed wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 04:45
Simple solution Ditch honda and go to mercedes as customer. bold calls have to be made. most incompetent manufacturer on planet is honda. they should be banned from sport. how can audi be better than them in their first year of sport. deabte should rest here
It's not a simple solution, and it's basically impossible. Mercedes can't supply engines to five teams on the grid, including themselves, especially since they already want to reduce that number.

As I said at the beginning of the year, no other engine supplier wants to supply engines to Aston Martin, knowing they have Adrian Newey on the team. The only option for AM, besides Honda, with any chance of happening is Audi. However, the chances of Audi agreeing to supply engines are minimal.

Maybe Honda leaves F1, forcing Audi, under FIA rules, to supply engines to AM due to having the fewest customer teams. Or, with more luck, they might make an exception for Audi as a new manufacturer, shifting that responsibility to Ferrari.
I am still not able to understand, why AM ditched ‘Merc engines’ and decided to go with Honda?
If Mclaren can win WC with ‘Merc engines’, why can’t Newey do the same at AM? What’s the reason to take this unwarranted risk.
On top of that, AM has no idea what Honda is cooking at their R&D facility. Have they deployed experienced engineers or kids building some school project. What kind of partnership is this?
I wont blame Honda for this; it’s a self-goal by AM management.

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NAPI10 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 14:58
I am still not able to understand, why AM ditched ‘Merc engines’ and decided to go with Honda?
You do know the announcement was made in May 2023 that Aston & Honda were to link up. What engine was dominating F1 from 22’ onwards? It was Honda. No one even imagined what McLaren were to cook up a couple of years later with the Merc engine, so Aston felt that going with Honda was the best route going forward.

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Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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edu2703 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 12:42
max_speed wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 04:45
Simple solution Ditch honda and go to mercedes as customer. bold calls have to be made. most incompetent manufacturer on planet is honda. they should be banned from sport. how can audi be better than them in their first year of sport. deabte should rest here
It's not a simple solution, and it's basically impossible. Mercedes can't supply engines to five teams on the grid, including themselves, especially since they already want to reduce that number.

As I said at the beginning of the year, no other engine supplier wants to supply engines to Aston Martin, knowing they have Adrian Newey on the team. The only option for AM, besides Honda, with any chance of happening is Audi. However, the chances of Audi agreeing to supply engines are minimal.

Maybe Honda leaves F1, forcing Audi, under FIA rules, to supply engines to AM due to having the fewest customer teams. Or, with more luck, they might make an exception for Audi as a new manufacturer, shifting that responsibility to Ferrari.
He also forgot that Audi and RBPT got more resources allocated to them cause they were "NEW" Manufactures.

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Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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NAPI10 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 14:58
edu2703 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 12:42
max_speed wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 04:45
Simple solution Ditch honda and go to mercedes as customer. bold calls have to be made. most incompetent manufacturer on planet is honda. they should be banned from sport. how can audi be better than them in their first year of sport. deabte should rest here
It's not a simple solution, and it's basically impossible. Mercedes can't supply engines to five teams on the grid, including themselves, especially since they already want to reduce that number.

As I said at the beginning of the year, no other engine supplier wants to supply engines to Aston Martin, knowing they have Adrian Newey on the team. The only option for AM, besides Honda, with any chance of happening is Audi. However, the chances of Audi agreeing to supply engines are minimal.

Maybe Honda leaves F1, forcing Audi, under FIA rules, to supply engines to AM due to having the fewest customer teams. Or, with more luck, they might make an exception for Audi as a new manufacturer, shifting that responsibility to Ferrari.
I am still not able to understand, why AM ditched ‘Merc engines’ and decided to go with Honda?
If Mclaren can win WC with ‘Merc engines’, why can’t Newey do the same at AM? What’s the reason to take this unwarranted risk.
On top of that, AM has no idea what Honda is cooking at their R&D facility. Have they deployed experienced engineers or kids building some school project. What kind of partnership is this?
I wont blame Honda for this; it’s a self-goal by AM management.
  • You see the 110 points difference between Merc and McLaren? It's all because Merc is the "de facto works team". So that is the reason why you'd want to set up a works partnership.
  • If you asking why Honda? well they were the only one on the outside looking in for a team.
  • It is nolonger true that AMR F1 have no idea of what is going on at Honda. They have a team lead by Andy Cowell working out of Honda R&D in Japan. This was probably the biggest mistake made by AMR F1, not having anybody at Honda R&D till it was too late. Presume that Andy Cowell preferred to play team principle than make sure their future PU would be ready
  • Either the Koji Watanabe (President Honda/HRC) or Shintaro Orihara (Honda's Trackside General Manager and Chief Engineer) said in March that they brought over some of their most experienced guys from MotoGP to help bolster the ICE team.
  • I think they both share blame in that Honda should be more responsible and AMR F1 cause of poor management. Is it possible that that to struggle is not seen as bad in Japanese culture if in the end you come out on top?

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Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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NAPI10 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 14:58
edu2703 wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 12:42
max_speed wrote:
15 Jun 2026, 04:45
Simple solution Ditch honda and go to mercedes as customer. bold calls have to be made. most incompetent manufacturer on planet is honda. they should be banned from sport. how can audi be better than them in their first year of sport. deabte should rest here
It's not a simple solution, and it's basically impossible. Mercedes can't supply engines to five teams on the grid, including themselves, especially since they already want to reduce that number.

As I said at the beginning of the year, no other engine supplier wants to supply engines to Aston Martin, knowing they have Adrian Newey on the team. The only option for AM, besides Honda, with any chance of happening is Audi. However, the chances of Audi agreeing to supply engines are minimal.

Maybe Honda leaves F1, forcing Audi, under FIA rules, to supply engines to AM due to having the fewest customer teams. Or, with more luck, they might make an exception for Audi as a new manufacturer, shifting that responsibility to Ferrari.
I am still not able to understand, why AM ditched ‘Merc engines’ and decided to go with Honda?
If Mclaren can win WC with ‘Merc engines’, why can’t Newey do the same at AM? What’s the reason to take this unwarranted risk.
On top of that, AM has no idea what Honda is cooking at their R&D facility. Have they deployed experienced engineers or kids building some school project. What kind of partnership is this?
I wont blame Honda for this; it’s a self-goal by AM management.
Yes it is very obvious that you are not understand.