2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Rikhart
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Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58
euv2 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:40
Cars overtaking under safety car... will there be penalties today?
I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
Russel ABSOLUTELY, VERY CLEARLY, braked extremely hard and then made a very silly radio call that he was overtaken.

Bill
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euv2 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:56
Antonelli, Piastri, Ocon, Leclerc, Sainz, Gasly and Stroll have all been noted for a Safety Car Infringement. They should be handing out penalties but I'm expecting them to chicken out given the number of offenders.
they didnt in miami sprint,they need to show that they are consistent

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Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58
euv2 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:40
Cars overtaking under safety car... will there be penalties today?
I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
George was right up the rear of the SC, suddenly there was 10 car lengths. George braked he's probably argue keeping tyre/brake temps up but he certainly braked.

PierreW
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Rikhart wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:07
Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58

I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
Russel ABSOLUTELY, VERY CLEARLY, braked extremely hard and then made a very silly radio call that he was overtaken.
Yes, and I think that driving erratically like braking extremely hard during safety car can be penalized.

Watto
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Bill wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:08
euv2 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:56
Antonelli, Piastri, Ocon, Leclerc, Sainz, Gasly and Stroll have all been noted for a Safety Car Infringement. They should be handing out penalties but I'm expecting them to chicken out given the number of offenders.
they didnt in miami sprint,they need to show that they are consistent
Almost wonder if it's a timing glitch/system glitch. 7 cars picked up there didn't seem anything obvious.

venkyhere
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What were the track temps ? 50+ C ? Moreover, the grain of the tarmac is 'too smooth' -> low grip. Lots of sliding with lower wing level. Mercedes nailed the setup for their car, and most importantly, their rear suspension upgrade worked like a dream. It was purely down to strategy brilliance (avoiding on track wheel to wheel battles and not trying to stretch the life of weakening tyres even by 1 lap) and quali brilliance, that Max finished P2. Race pace for the first two stints was slower than both Mercedes, both McLarens and LeClerc (?), IIRC.

P2 today for Max on a track with completely unsuitable conditions for the RB21's tyres, is almost a 'win'. Imagine if he had qualified P5-P6 or lower. Would've never made up positions.

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venkyhere wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:17
What were the track temps ? 50+ C ? Moreover, the grain of the tarmac is 'too smooth' -> low grip. Lots of sliding with lower wing level. Mercedes nailed the setup for their car, and most importantly, their rear suspension upgrade worked like a dream. It was purely down to strategy brilliance (avoiding on track wheel to wheel battles and not trying to stretch the life of weakening tyres even by 1 lap) and quali brilliance, that Max finished P2. Race pace for the first two stints was slower than both Mercedes, both McLarens and LeClerc (?), IIRC.

P2 today for Max on a track with completely unsuitable conditions for the RB21's tyres, is almost a 'win'. Imagine if he had qualified P5-P6 or lower. Would've never made up positions.
Indeed will take that P2 today, finally a good results after some weeks..

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Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58
euv2 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:40
Cars overtaking under safety car... will there be penalties today?
I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
Ill help you out....
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

TwanV
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This is exactly what is frowned upon outside the UK and about the whole British bias opinion. Even f1tv who are normally quite neutral didn’t want to spend a word on that. Gamesmanship really? Imagine what would happen if Max did that. Not that he or any other driver on the grid ever would… Good race though, p2 totally acceptable

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Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58
euv2 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:40
Cars overtaking under safety car... will there be penalties today?
I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
As I posted yesterday, Russel revels in 'baiting' Max. He would never leave a chance to cop him that final penalty point. Nothing wrong with that, it's all part of the 'gamesmanship' of F1. Just saying. I was not at all surprised. If Max is the brutally honest unpolished bully, Norris the sweet talking assassin, Piastri the emotionless mute sniper, Russel is the snake politician. They all have different ways of playing their 'games'. :D

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Rikhart wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:07
Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58

I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
Russel ABSOLUTELY, VERY CLEARLY, braked extremely hard and then made a very silly radio call that he was overtaken.
Happens all the time. Why moan about it now?


"Interplay of triads"

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Quantum
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Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:07
Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:58

I doubt that. Russell was fishing for it when he saw Max was close. It would set a bad precedent if you were allowed to bait penalties by braking erratically under SC.
Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
No need to lie to me mate, I've seen the onboard and telemetry and he slams the brakes hard in that moment.

As for just following over the finish line, at that point they didn't know if the race was going to be restarted or not so they were all working the tyres. Hence why Russell was waving his arms trying to make the SC go faster right before that erratic brake test.
Over the finish line? :lol:
"Interplay of triads"

Cs98
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Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:39
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:07
Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:59


Or just follow the car over the finish line. Easy to see that Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace. Not hard is it.
No need to lie to me mate, I've seen the onboard and telemetry and he slams the brakes hard in that moment.

As for just following over the finish line, at that point they didn't know if the race was going to be restarted or not so they were all working the tyres. Hence why Russell was waving his arms trying to make the SC go faster right before that erratic brake test.
Over the finish line? :lol:
Is there a point in there? Btw, what happened to "Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace" :lol:

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Quantum
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Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:42
Quantum wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:39
Cs98 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:07

No need to lie to me mate, I've seen the onboard and telemetry and he slams the brakes hard in that moment.

As for just following over the finish line, at that point they didn't know if the race was going to be restarted or not so they were all working the tyres. Hence why Russell was waving his arms trying to make the SC go faster right before that erratic brake test.
Over the finish line? :lol:
Is there a point in there? Btw, what happened to "Russell didnt brake and kept a steady pace" :lol:
Whatever happened to my original post of stating that He just needs to follow over the finish line?
He didnt break on the finish straight.

Additionally, I can give you 10 examples over the last 5 years were the lead driver brakes AFTER the safety car lights go out. Happens all the time. Clearly ONLY now it matters though right? :lol:
"Interplay of triads"

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Sergej
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Deg was terrible in the first two stints, quite good in the last one. Very puzzling.