2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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etusch wrote:
19 Jun 2026, 13:51
mzso wrote:
18 Jun 2026, 22:30
etusch wrote:
17 Jun 2026, 10:43
If the transmission and rear grip/df aren't helping you to achieve the rear braking you need to regenaration, wouldn't you experience this as a lack of maximum power from electric motor side? So maybe some of 70 hp power gap comes from low performance of the car.
Wow. That's completely pulled out of the air... With no basis. Having poor grip in the corners doesn't effect regeneration. If the grip was so bad they needed longer brake distances it would help regeneration.
I can't believe I'm reading this... Longer braking can regenarate more if you're at the same recovery level every time you brake, and long braking times mean bad lap times.
Of course, but the lap times are bad because of the purported low grip. I'm unaware of any "recovery level"-s, they always use the max recovery power as much as possible.

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ispano6 wrote:
19 Jun 2026, 16:48
Meanwhile Ferrari and Shell are bringing an upgraded fuel and engine to Austria.

Yes, Shell is involved. The fuel supplier. People talk about weakest engine but face it folks, your ICE is limited by your fuel combustion energy. Yes, Honda and Aramco DO have work to do. Pinning it on Honda's incompetence, weakest engine, broken promises that were never made and all that shaming by the posters here lowered the quality of this forum.
Why? Because the whiners here only complain about results and don't care to peel back the layers to understand where the deficits actually are coming from.

I expect it to be hard and difficult, and the challenge is what makes it worth while to participate and follow.
You always have your own narrative. Honda's failings are beyond doubt. As well as that of the chassis and now evidently also the gearbox.
Fuel quality issues only originate from you.

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Honda has been a disaster this rule cycle. Where is the ADUO-upgraded engine?? AUDI tested theirs a couple of days ago, Ferrari is working on theirs. Honda is talking about after the summer break, which is embarrassing.
Aston themselves have not been great either, but this nonsense trying to blame it all on the Aramco fuel smells of some sort of Japanese nationalism. Accept the fact that Honda messed up royally, Aston did to, especially with the gearbox. But ispano wont see this because he blocked me for saying Honda was incompetent back i March, lol.

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diffuser wrote:
19 Jun 2026, 16:48
I have my suspicions, Not based in any facts, that the majority of the AMR26's gearbox problems are explained as "gearbox" problems but are really PU drivability issues... I think after Newey had the big finger point incident at the beginning of the year, AMR F1 are avoiding pointing at Honda's PU as a cause of problems.
It's not too hard to see Honda messed-up (and by some way). It's also not too hard to see that Aston did as well. The initially unreliable PU and PU installation/integration also limited running, which will have made optimisation and testing extremely difficult in pre-season testing and the early part of the season. On the other hand, there seems to have been a real last-minute coming together of the whole car and particularly the gearbox, which meant little or no installation/integration work before pre-season testing. The chassis and aero doesn't exactly cover itself in glory either. It's a big mess on all sides.

Another point to consider is that it's not like they have a weak PU but everything works together, as well as reliability issues, I'm guessing the shift quality and regeneration strategies are totally immature, and no doubt all the software around PU driveability and coordination with the gearbox is the same. It's probably like alpha-release software (just about barely works).

In the specific case of Barcelona, the gearbox issue was stated by Stroll as "I had to retire the car because of a gearbox issue; I couldn't get third or fourth gear for the last couple of laps. We'll investigate it further after the race", so this particular case seems likely to have been a genuine gearbox problem, or maybe hydraulics.
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FNTC wrote:
19 Jun 2026, 23:45
Honda has been a disaster this rule cycle. Where is the ADUO-upgraded engine?? AUDI tested theirs a couple of days ago, Ferrari is working on theirs. Honda is talking about after the summer break, which is embarrassing.
They have much bigger problems than the other teams, and probably have more numerous and more fundamental changes to make. They've also presumably lost some of the available effort firefighting the problems from the start of the season.

We also don't know how far along any gearbox / chassis / aero modifications are. You can always do more with more time, so the team will have chosen their timeline based on what's possible when, and how long to develop for.