the cost cutting is just what you said talk. They should either call it a spec series and go the indy route or bring back in season testing real race engines ect.MIKEY_! wrote:A tire war is not what they need now. All this talk of cost cutting would look a little silly.
You serious with these two statements?? Not a chance that the EBD offers 3 seconds, thats ridiculous to even say that....and im pretty sure the cars are still down on downforce compared to last year, infact im certain.ESPImperium wrote:Blown Diffusers will bring as much as 3 seconds off lap times at some tracks with some cars going by the 2011 cars. About 40% of this time will be clawed back thru the closed season, if not already done.
As current levels of downforce with the EBD now exceed in many cased downforce created by the DDDs.
You will never see a "cliff" again, even if pirelli make the tyre with that behavior.Pierce89 wrote:+1 I could not agree moreMIKEY_! wrote:Anyway I liked the 'cliff', I think the stuff about the tires being rubbish was uncalled for since they were supposed to be faster wearing. But they do need to fix the marbles problem.
I really hope they do not make all the compounds more durable for next year, those tires were one of the best bits about this year once it became clear vettel would run away with the championship.
Huh?jamsbong wrote:2. The car may be able to drift a bit more without loosing too much tire wear.
3. Car would understeer
Agreed - The cars are only matching (at most circuits) the lap time of last year, and that's with DRS and KERS. However the Pirelli tyres blow the argument out of the water as we don't know how much grip they provide compared to the 2010 tyres (making a like-for-like aero comparison out of the question)ell66 wrote:You serious with these two statements?? Not a chance that the EBD offers 3 seconds, thats ridiculous to even say that....and im pretty sure the cars are still down on downforce compared to last year, infact im certain.ESPImperium wrote:Blown Diffusers will bring as much as 3 seconds off lap times at some tracks with some cars going by the 2011 cars. About 40% of this time will be clawed back thru the closed season, if not already done.
As current levels of downforce with the EBD now exceed in many cased downforce created by the DDDs.
And on the changes for the rear (vs the front):Balance will change, increase in grip for rear higher than for front. Will need aero bal and also camber changes.
Grip, move toward softer, better blister resistance. Will explain all in Feb 12
Maybe it's not a best palce to ask, but I can't figure out what's the connection between tyre shoulder size and camber settings. Why larger shoulder requires different camber setting? Just curious.Javert wrote:- the rear tires will have a large shoulder so the rear suspension has to be designed to havemore camber
This year Monza qualifiers have been really slow considering DRS and kers, with a limited camber setting ... A physical reasoning, which I'm not sure is correct, say that with a greater camber you have less contact with road and less resistance.raymondu999 wrote:Eh? More camber would let them go through corners faster rather than on straights no? If anything more rear camber would decrease traction, and more camber on either axle would increase braking distances.
Also I'd imagine softer tyres would generally require less downforce to activate; as they heat up easier (not requiring downforce to bring the tyres on). No?
There was a thread on this a while back and I can't remember the answer right now, but someone offered that explanation so I'll go with that....Javert wrote:A physical reasoning, which I'm not sure is correct, say that with a greater camber you have less contact with road and less resistance.
Which again could be explained by more speed carried through cornersAlso, I know I can't take CM F1 as a benchmark but my Monza lap times suddenly decreases with a greater camber
I'll assume that you meant observations rather than osservationsJavert wrote:My osservation was not on grip levels, but if they will have enough life.