Team Orders Ban Lifted

[raymondu999]

And don't forget that the individual results will usually be quite correlated to the constructors results. An HRT or a Virgin (in 2010) was never going to beat a Red Bull on track.

[Ray]

Team orders have been around in the open and behind closed doors since this series started in 1950. If you think that it started with Schumacher and Ferrari are the only ones that do it you need to learn some F1 history. I've only been interested in F1 for about 10 years and I know that team orders are nothing new and ANY team that denies they use them are lying. Team orders have their place and grandstanding like they aren't used or only one team openly uses them is pretty lame. Of all the BS the FIA pull every season and all the BS that comes from their rules and regs, team orders is nothing. The FIA influence the pecking order more than the teams ever could, even if they do lobby for rule changes.

[Ray]

Then scrap the farce known as the World Drivers Championship. It's either a drivers championship or a team sport, it can't properly be both. You don't see football teams fighting it out only based on man of the match.

That's true, but any member of that team can run with the ball. There can only be one driver. So, one man is in entire control of what happens to that teams effort. Some are better than others at using what the team has created than others. In stick and ball sports there are many members that can be in complete control of the teams fate. I don't see a problem with one person being singled out as the person that best uses the efforts of the team to achieve victory.

Why treat them like kids on wheels?

Because if you don't you'll have drivers like Senna and Schumacher who will ram another driver to win a championship. That cannot be allowed in a sport that has the level of danger as motorsports. Even in a road car it's frowned upon to ram someone.

[Giblet]

Senna did it to get revenge The championship was a mere bonus

[Ray]

true

[strad]

Senna did it to get revenge The championship was a mere bonus

Not funny in my opinion.....Senna did more to bring about disreputable driving and rough driving like Schumachers than anyone else.

[Ray]

Not funny in my opinion.....Senna did more to bring about disreputable driving and rough driving like Schumachers than anyone else.

And here I thought I was the only F1 fan that thought Senna was a pretty dirty driver. Who knew?

[Giblet]

Senna did it to get revenge The championship was a mere bonus

Not funny in my opinion.....Senna did more to bring about disreputable driving and rough driving like Schumachers than anyone else.

Party pooper

Difference being though, that Schumi seemed to pretend he was not a villain from time to time, but Senna just kinda unapologetically did what he wanted, to devastating effect.

As for the topic de jour, at least Senna didn't really need the team orders, and likely wouldn't have got them if he asked. Did Schumi 'need' them? We'll never likely know.

I am happy that team orders are now allowed, and also that teams that abuse that privilege and 'bring the sport in to disrepute' will be harshly punished. I think it's a good balance.

[donskar]

Not funny in my opinion.....Senna did more to bring about disreputable driving and rough driving like Schumachers than anyone else.

And here I thought I was the only F1 fan that thought Senna was a pretty dirty driver. Who knew?

You can count me among those who think Senna was a dirty driver. That is how I will remember him. Schumi? About as bad. Two great drivers, but they went way over the line.

Team orders? Neither needed them. Both would have won about as many races and WDCs without any team orders.

[PlatinumZealot]

I was very shocked and saddened after watching this video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssi3Qyimbss[/youtube]

I have the 2011 season review but I just didn't get time to watch it but wow! I didn't know they had these radio conversations in it! This particular one was very revealing and it has changed my view on a whole lot of things in the Red Bull camp.

It seems the team has rules - rock solid rules. In the video I saw that one of the drivers attempted to break those rules and the team was alerted to it by the other driver. Assurance was given to the whistle blower and then a soft reminder was sent to the offending driver. Ignoring the call the offending driver followed his racing instinct and carried on, seeming to be in some mad trance like a "rabid animal." A second warning was sharply issued and he snapped out of his passion. The offending driver then subdued - acknowledged the order and fell back into the shadows.

I don't how Webber does it, but he must be a mentally strong man. I don't think I could handle staying any longer. Unless. There is something that Webber sees at the end of the tunnel.

[Pierce89]

I was very shocked and saddened after watching this video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssi3Qyimbss[youtube]

I have the 2011 season review but I just didn't get time to watch it but wow! I didn't know they had these radio conversations in it! This particular one was very revealing and it has changed my view on a whole lot of things in the Red Bull camp.

It seems the team has rules - rock solid rules. In the video I saw that one of the drivers attempted to break those rules and the team was alerted to it by the other driver. Assurance was given to the whistle blower and then a soft reminder was sent to the offending driver. Ignoring the call the offending driver followed his racing instinct and carried on, seeming to be in some mad trance like a "rabid animal." A second warning was sharply issued and he snapped out of his passion. The offending driver then subdued - acknowledged the order and fell back into the shadows.

I don't how Webber does it, but he must be a mentally strong man. I don't think I could handle staying any longer. Unless. There is something that Webber sees at the end of the tunnel.

Wow! I always felt like Mark got screwed, but this badly? Come on Red Bull, that's weak after Horner wined about Ferrari in Hockenheim! Hell, Felipe is at least allowed to race with Alonso if he's quick enough(that's rare though).

[RB7ate9]

While the entire Silverstone incident is a complete travesty to the team, Mark, and the fans, I have to see the potential silver lining in this and see the capability Mark had that race weekend without the off-throttle blowing. With any luck, 2012 will be Mark's banner year.

Back on topic: while it could be argued that Webber couldn't have made the pass successfully in the last few laps of the race, the very apparent closing speed of Webber to Vettel through the straights meant that he could have possibly taken Vettel if he had just one more chance and the freedom to do so. The call to "Maintain the gap" obviously sparked some "fight or flight" mode where he was compelled to at least make one attempt (and that appears to be at the 0:49 mark) before realizing that he was going to risk the team's efforts so close to the end of the race. A poor decision by the team principals, the proper decision by Mark in the context of the team dynamic and the race weekend.

While I understand the reason for being able to make team orders, there is a fine line between team orders for the sake of the team and team orders that end up undermining the coherence of the team and the fans by supporting one driver pretty outright.