Actually the discussion is quite rational, I see very little hate if any.donskar wrote:OK, this has descended into another irrational Ferrari-haters festival. I'm done.
OK. A typical Ferrari fan doesn't like what he's hearing and so is going home. Fine.donskar wrote:OK, this has descended into another irrational Ferrari-haters festival. I'm done.
Well i guess the fact that Brawn/Todt et al left would explain that. Not that hard to figure out.Giblet wrote:
We're trying to figure out why Ferrari is having so many problems compared to before Brawn/Todt left.
Tombazis still remains from the Shumacher era. Costa aswell, but I am not convinced of him. Alonso certainly isn't the problem, so you perhaps you can put that little agenda aside for once.andrew wrote:It looks like most (if not all) of the sensible high-ups in the F1 team have left. Ferrari have now fully returned to idiotic knee-jerk decisions made with the heart ruling the head that was common pre-1996. Saw this coming as soon as they signed Alonso and I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari shortly announce Briatore as a new team member (I guess that would be a lot of bad eggs in one red basket).
Completely agree. Also it's surprising given the comments that Domenicalli and LDM made after the race.Surely the way to learn from a mistake is to look thoroughly at what happened, learn from it and move on but keep stability in the team. It looks like Dyer has well and truely been made a scapegoat and the knee-jerk reaction has been made of replacing him.
I think your question probably has been answered. It wasn't a case of Alonso trying to outwit Petrov, he never got into a position where he could pass Petrov. Sure passing was possible on the track (the same way passing is possible on a track like Hungaroring), it certainly wasn't very easy. It's the same way Vettel couldn't pass Alonso at Hungary despite having a car that was over a second faster.To my mind, a key question has yet to be answered - why could Alonso, an experienced driver and twice WDC, could not outwit a rookie in a slower car at a track where passing is possible. Dominicelli has always struck me as a bit of a gutless wonder (thus why the point has not really been raised I guess) who is more concerned about accusing other teams of having illeagal cars during the season and PR than efficent team management (using Jean Todt and Ross Brawn as examples of excellent team managers).
It was pretty clear that the Renault was faster on the straight and also seemed to have fairly good traction coming out of slow corners. Plus you had a track which is not ideal for overtaking and the general problems of overtaking in F1. Alonso was always within a second of Petrov but he never really got close enough to make a legitimate passing attempt. Hamilton had the same problems with Kubica.andrew wrote:No agenda against Alonso here. Sure I don't have a high opinion of him but leaving that aside for this thread, the fact still remains he couldn't pass a rookie in a slower car. Alonso was particly pushing Petrov but was unable to pass. For me, this question has not been answered by Ferrari or Alonso.
It's like football - a team looses a couple games they replace the manager or the coach, but not the players. Madness!
There seems to be, at best, 2 opportunities to pass on the circuit.andrew wrote:There are several opportunities for passing at Abu Dhabi. Maybe the Renault was getting better traction but a seasoned driver should have been able to make a "do or die" move. Making an engineer a scapegoat is just pure pathetic.
Like i said, pretty hard to simply dive up the inside of someone when you are never close enough to them on the straight.andrew wrote:Only one attempt? Not very good really.
Definitely. Like someone else said (think it was you) the decision to sack Dyer reminds of their pre 96/97 days. Continuity is what is needed. The mistake had big consequences, but the decision seemed fairly understandable at the time. Very harsh indeed, and not the direction Ferrari should be going in.Ferrari seem to have taken the easy option andblame Dyer rather than going for a sensible analysis and learn from what went wrong.
Gerhard Berger wrote: Well i guess the fact that Brawn/Todt et al left would explain that. Not that hard to figure out.
And the reason Brawn/Todt were almost always victorious with their call is that they had a driver (Schumy) who can workout almost anything thrown at him.Gerhard Berger wrote:Well i guess the fact that Brawn/Todt et al left would explain that. Not that hard to figure out.Giblet wrote:
We're trying to figure out why Ferrari is having so many problems compared to before Brawn/Todt left.