Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2014

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you say that but not every race. i think saying the others teams are catching up can be negative when repeated. it almost sounds like the team aren't doing a good enough job.

he could at least say "we are still ahead and doing well but we must keep pushing to maintain this lead we can't let our rivals catch us" - surely the same effect but slightly more positive

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Is Wolff giving these statements in English, or are they translated? If so, is it possible that the exact nuances of his wording are getting lost in translation?
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I've noticed that drivers tend to be motivated by the glory of winning, they need that unbeatable conviction that they can win. Meanwhile the team bosses are paid to manage risk and plan for every eventuality. Taken together its a case of hope for the best and plan for the worst.

All TPs have their detractors but Wolff it is clearly getting results for team with his style regardless of whatever we think as outsiders.

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richard_leeds wrote: All TPs have their detractors but Wolff it is clearly getting results for team with his style regardless of whatever we think as outsiders.
That's kind of my point, he might be getting results now, but imo if he continues to use "fear motivation" it will wear the team down.
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We have a broken Arrow!
Was it the engine or just the brake-by-wire? Pity, it looked like a season where Mercedes would win every race. However, I am completely surprised at how Nico handled the car's problems. Any doubts he's not up to the job have no reason to be.

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Once the ERS went out, they lost engine braking which put a lot more load on the brakes. This is the worst track for braking, so if the system was going to fail, this is where is was going to happen. Looks like Mercedes pushed their design too close to the limit.

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Confirmed: a High Voltage Switch turned the ERS off and impeded its use in the race. So, yes, they seem to have overcooked their brakes/ERS during the race.

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My positive of today, i became a Mercedes Fan. I normally only root for Lewis, but i was gutted when Riccairdo passed Rosberg. The record of winning all races has sadly gone. People that still think it all about the Mercedes engine got their answer today. That car has immense mechanical grip Rosberg did the same time 1 and 2 sector time as Ricciardo with 120-160 less horsepower (renault reportedly 40HP down, i think its much less, vettel was holding back the fastest car in a straight line the Williams behind him).

How can the CE fail at exactly the same time on both cars? Must be a software issue, because the chance of the same failure at same time on both car is impossible.
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kooleracer wrote:My positive of today, i became a Mercedes Fan. I normally only root for Lewis, but i was gutted when Riccairdo passed Rosberg. The record of winning all races has sadly gone. People that still think it all about the Mercedes engine got their answer today. That car has immense mechanical grip Rosberg did the same time 1 and 2 sector time as Ricciardo with 120-160 less horsepower (renault reportedly 40HP down, i think its much less, vettel was holding back the fastest car in a straight line the Williams behind him).

How can the CE fail at exactly the same time on both cars? Must be a software issue, because the chance of the same failure at same time on both car is impossible.
Not really strange. Both drivers were racing quite hard, both have the same hardware and both shared almost the same failure. For what Lowe said, Lewis' brakes were overheating (braking too hard) and Nico had an ERS disconnection (perhaps too much current going into the batteries or the DC-DC converter was boosting the voltage too high). Both are related to too much energy available at the rear axle. Maybe Nico forgot to adjust his Harvesting settings during the race, thus, too much energy going into the system. Lewis might have adjusted his Harvesting correctly, but it overheated the brakes.
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Did the team let LH know that the brakes were overheating before it finally gave up? Haven't noticed in the race, but perhaps they don't show all radio messages on tv.

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kooleracer wrote:My positive of today, i became a Mercedes Fan. I normally only root for Lewis, but i was gutted when Riccairdo passed Rosberg. The record of winning all races has sadly gone. People that still think it all about the Mercedes engine got their answer today. That car has immense mechanical grip Rosberg did the same time 1 and 2 sector time as Ricciardo with 120-160 less horsepower (renault reportedly 40HP down, i think its much less, vettel was holding back the fastest car in a straight line the Williams behind him).

How can the CE fail at exactly the same time on both cars? Must be a software issue, because the chance of the same failure at same time on both car is impossible.
Do we know for sure it was gone completely at the end of race? The onboards would indicate the mgu-k was dead (you could no longer hear it), but when the problems first started they were doing 1:22's, by the end they were on 1:19s, and their speed down the back straight was higher.

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Yes, it was completely gone for both drivers. Lewis's went out about a lap sooner than Nicos. Lewis was maybe half a second behind Nico at one point, then 2 second back the next, then they were both running the same pace about 2-3 seconds down on the field.

Canada is the hardest braking track and it sounds like Mercedes is running smaller brakes than the rest of the field but running an ERS system that can harvest more energy under braking, taking load off of the brakes. Maybe software, but likely the heavy use of the ERS system for both drivers overloaded the system at roughly the same time.

Their speed on the straight couldn't have been much higher because Lewis passed Vettel doing nearly 30km/h more at the start of the race, and Daniel passed Nico with what looked like a similar speed delta.

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What is impressive is Nico's handling of the situation, even without ERS, he managed to get to the finish in second place. What a machine they have developed. A severely compromised power unit, destroyed brakes and the machine was able to regain "some" performance instead of just shutting down completely.

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smlbstcbr wrote:What is impressive is Nico's handling of the situation, even without ERS, he managed to get to the finish in second place. What a machine they have developed. A severely compromised power unit, destroyed brakes and the machine was able to regain "some" performance instead of just shutting down completely.
The performance of the car was flattered by the very slow one stopping Force India's, and low straight line speed of the Red Bulls. If the Red Bulls had enough straight line speed to overtake the Force indias on any of the preceding 30 laps, Nico would have been third at best, and probably 4th as Massa should have been able to pass Perez in the closing laps, and then catch Rosberg easily.

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WaikeCU wrote:Did the team let LH know that the brakes were overheating before it finally gave up? Haven't noticed in the race, but perhaps they don't show all radio messages on tv.
They notified him
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