Flexiwings 2025

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deadhead wrote:
30 May 2025, 16:29
Vettel165 wrote:
30 May 2025, 13:12
I think on the grid if everyone would have been given an equal car, Verstappen and Charles would come at the top. Followed by Hamilton and "peak" Alonso.
Yes.

Peak Hamilton should be on par with VER and LEC or at least very close
Maybe leclerc, not Max. Don’t think we’ve seen a driver like Max since Schumacher and Senna. Never seen a driver is consistently max in the history of Formula One, I would argue.

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Schumalonso wrote:
30 May 2025, 16:53
deadhead wrote:
30 May 2025, 16:29
Vettel165 wrote:
30 May 2025, 13:12
I think on the grid if everyone would have been given an equal car, Verstappen and Charles would come at the top. Followed by Hamilton and "peak" Alonso.
Yes.

Peak Hamilton should be on par with VER and LEC or at least very close
Maybe leclerc, not Max. Don’t think we’ve seen a driver like Max since Schumacher and Senna. Never seen a driver is consistently max in the history of Formula One, I would argue.
Next year will be very telling since VER will have to deal with a car not designed by Adrian Newey, his talent is immense, but I need to see what he can do with a car that wasn't touched by the "genius".

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Williams seem to struggle a bit after the front wing directive so far?

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FNTC wrote:
30 May 2025, 17:12
Williams seem to struggle a bit after the front wing directive so far?
Williams said the circuit doesn't suit them.
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
30 May 2025, 17:28
FNTC wrote:
30 May 2025, 17:12
Williams seem to struggle a bit after the front wing directive so far?
Williams said the circuit doesn't suit them.
Nor McLaren tbf, but doesn't prevent the comparison.
"Interplay of triads"

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I wait to see the long stinds in the race how the tyre's will hold.

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Certain media are eager to draw conclusions after 2 hours of running. :lol:
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
31 May 2025, 03:20
Certain media are eager to draw conclusions after 2 hours of running. :lol:
Certain forum posters as well :twisted:

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It’s FP. You can’t draw conclusions.

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It’s hard to draw conclusions from this weekend altogether. If there is no major drop in pace by any top team, it’s almost impossible to say if any small changes in pace are due to the TD, normal setup variations/difficulties to get the balance right, cars suiting some tracks better, ”normal” updates to the cars, or a combination of those things (and more). What is clear though is that the ones who predicted the TD would have an impact will somehow find that they were right, and the ones who thought the opposite will find that they were right, and no one will be able to prove their point in the end with conclusive evidence.

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Tvetovnato wrote:
31 May 2025, 09:48
It’s hard to draw conclusions from this weekend altogether. If there is no major drop in pace by any top team, it’s almost impossible to say if any small changes in pace are due to the TD, normal setup variations/difficulties to get the balance right, cars suiting some tracks better, ”normal” updates to the cars, or a combination of those things (and more). What is clear though is that the ones who predicted the TD would have an impact will somehow find that they were right, and the ones who thought the opposite will find that they were right, and no one will be able to prove their point in the end with conclusive evidence.
I think it's especially hard to read since some teams really brought changes to other parts of the car. In that sense, any negative effects is likely to have been fully negated through development unless the teams don't care about the cars of this year anymore and have already moved onto 2026.

For what it's worth, as @venkyhere keeps posting, the real impact would have only been seen if it was enforced in place immediately, not after 33 percent of the season.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Couple of Max.

First clip is the medium at the start of FP3 and the last one (with start of lap opening on) is the soft tyre



Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Seems like a fair statement, at very least in hindsight. So why did they decide to force this TD? For the future so they don’t get too bendy? Politics and optics?

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Ever since Red Bull magically weren't a second faster than everyone last year , there's been lots of talk about "clarifications" and banning of parts meant to restore the status quote, and none of them have.

This is just the latest IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised if the FIA were secretly relieved that they didnt release a TD that changed the title fight, in the very middle of a title fight, on the back of making teams think it was okay to have those flexi wings right up until the last moment.

That said I suppose we're yet to see how the compromises teams have made affect a car over a race distance.