Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[Shaddock]

Button's wins this year have been through skipping a pit stop and making an early stop, not out right pace in the car. In fact LH is 1-0 on Button in overtakes, it's still early in the season and anything can still happen.

The Red Bulls are very fast, if things carry on the way they are the rest of the pack will just be picking up the scraps that are on offer.

Webber is making Seb look a little ordinary, which I wasn't expecting.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

You are a beacon of fanboi light!
To judge someones social leanings on F1technical becuase he disagrees with your view is definately not cool.
But I digress, is it not clearly evident that Hamilton has been ruffled by events of this year. 2 Button victories will do that to a man...look at Barrichello last year!

No-one's judging social leanings nor points of view except you and your 'fanboy' nonsense.

If Hamilton was so 'ruffled', as you say, wouldn't we see him making rash mistakes and errors? Or is your entire argument based on the fact that he spoke up on the radio? If so, how about Alonso's reaction to Glock at Monaco for not letting him past? How about Schumacher losing it at Coulthard in Spa. How about Piquet getting physical with Salazar? And Senna storming out at the Suzuka 1990 drivers' briefing?

These are undisputed greats of this sport, and it sounds as though Lewis is going to fit in nicely amongst that bunch. Interested in your thoughts.

Well its very, very simple.

Senna stormed out due to his request for grid slots to be moved-he was ignored

Alonso/Glock is typical of any driver wanting to get past. Its not even worthy of note as Mika Hakkinen Kimi, Micheal, Coulthard, Montoya, Trulli Christ all that i can think of have waved an angry fist before.

Piquet getting fruity with Salazar(funniest vid on youtube)was because he speared Piquet(leader by some margin) off the track when due to be LAPPED. Now in this anodyne world, it would be easy for you to point the finger. Me? I would have broken Salazars legs for that!

Then we come to Mr Hamilton. He lambasted his own team. Not for the first time.
It bears no comparison. None that you have given anyway, and is not conducive to Hamilton being with McLaren "for the rest of my career".
It will be interesting to see how well he would fair in a lesser team than Mclaren, because judging by some aspects of his character, he would explode at the earliest possible conveniance

[Shaddock]

You are a beacon of fanboi light!
To judge someones social leanings on F1technical becuase he disagrees with your view is definately not cool.
But I digress, is it not clearly evident that Hamilton has been ruffled by events of this year. 2 Button victories will do that to a man...look at Barrichello last year!

No-one's judging social leanings nor points of view except you and your 'fanboy' nonsense.

If Hamilton was so 'ruffled', as you say, wouldn't we see him making rash mistakes and errors? Or is your entire argument based on the fact that he spoke up on the radio? If so, how about Alonso's reaction to Glock at Monaco for not letting him past? How about Schumacher losing it at Coulthard in Spa. How about Piquet getting physical with Salazar? And Senna storming out at the Suzuka 1990 drivers' briefing?

These are undisputed greats of this sport, and it sounds as though Lewis is going to fit in nicely amongst that bunch. Interested in your thoughts.

Well its very, very simple.

Senna stormed out due to his request for grid slots to be moved-he was ignored

Alonso/Glock is typical of any driver wanting to get past. Its not even worthy of note as Mika Hakkinen Kimi, Micheal, Coulthard, Montoya, Trulli Christ all that i can think of have waved an angry fist before.

Piquet getting fruity with Salazar(funniest vid on youtube)was because he speared Piquet(leader by some margin) off the track when due to be LAPPED. Now in this anodyne world, it would be easy for you to point the finger. Me? I would have broken Salazars legs for that!

Then we come to Mr Hamilton. He lambasted his own team. Not for the first time.
It bears no comparison. None that you have given anyway, and is not conducive to Hamilton being with McLaren "for the rest of my career".
It will be interesting to see how well he would fair in a lesser team than Mclaren, because judging by some aspects of his character, he would explode at the earliest possible conveniance

You missed Alonso ripping the door off it's hinges when Hamilton out qualified him in 08.

[Remote_Access]

Well its very, very simple.

Senna stormed out due to his request for grid slots to be moved-he was ignored

Alonso/Glock is typical of any driver wanting to get past. Its not even worthy of note as Mika Hakkinen Kimi, Micheal, Coulthard, Montoya, Trulli Christ all that i can think of have waved an angry fist before.

Piquet getting fruity with Salazar(funniest vid on youtube)was because he speared Piquet(leader by some margin) off the track when due to be LAPPED. Now in this anodyne world, it would be easy for you to point the finger. Me? I would have broken Salazars legs for that!

Then we come to Mr Hamilton. He lambasted his own team. Not for the first time.
It bears no comparison. None that you have given anyway, and is not conducive to Hamilton being with McLaren "for the rest of my career".
It will be interesting to see how well he would fair in a lesser team than Mclaren, because judging by some aspects of his character, he would explode at the earliest possible conveniance

In all cases, the signs of sportsmen, at their peak, providing us with public displays of frustration. Yet you lambast Lewis for far less, as though he has no control over his emotions. If Lewis were to wave his hand at anyone you'd be wearing out your keyboard telling us all how much of an arrogant, unprofessional ingrate he is.

Whether it's conducive to being with McLaren for the rest of his career is irrelevant really. And the fact is, he is in a position of power at that team and in all relationships, some degree of conflict is common and in a sporting team necessary to ensure continued performance improvements.

And finally, you have a very short memory. Last year was a relative disaster for McLaren and Lewis had to get used to fighting just for points, let alone wins. He didn't explode at all, despite a completely inadequate car provided by his team. If his style was counterproductive, McLaren probably would not have managed to develop their car to the point of winning races.

Yyou've staked your credibility on being able to convince us all that Lewis has lost his mind, so I don't expect you to accept my arguments. But maybe you should cut your losses and give it a rest.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

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Please can you try refrain from the personal crap?

Nowhere did I say Lewis lost his mind, I agree some of his behaviour is desperate but he is very far from insane. Nor did I call him an "unprofessional ingrate", so we can scratch that from your little outburst.
As for my "short memory", did McLaren not supply him with cars capable of a championship in 2007 and 2008? 2 out of 3 aint bad!

It smacks of petulance how he can lambast a team that has done more for him from the age of 8 than anyone could dream of. Yet he continuosly erodes or depricates his team over the radio.
The difference with all the other examples I gave was driver vs driver or FIA vs driver. With Hamilton its him vs his team on some radio comms, this is my gripe need I or anyone else spell it out. Of course I wouldnt expect you to understand, as I can tell you are a Hamilton fan who like alot of hamilton fans, get very hot under the collar when criticism is levelled at the bloke. Now why would that be.....

[Mysticf1]

Has anyone considered that hearing such frustration on the radio is quite common? We have been lucky in recent times to hear team/driver communication which is now controlled by the FIA what we get to hear...who knows what some of the great drivers of the past have said to their team in a moment of frustration...the only difference is now its been broadcast.

bit of a storm in a tea cup really...but none the less entertaining to hear lewis upset.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Has anyone considered that hearing such frustration on the radio is quite common? We have been lucky in recent times to hear team/driver communication which is now controlled by the FIA what we get to hear...who knows what some of the great drivers of the past have said to their team in a moment of frustration...the only difference is now its been broadcast.

bit of a storm in a tea cup really...but none the less entertaining to hear lewis upset.

Have you ever seen Ron Dennis throw his headphones in disgust at what Hakkinen Raikkonen Senna Coulthard or even Montoya ever said? Nope

He is tempestuous. This is not a quality.

[Remote_Access]

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Please can you try refrain from the personal crap?

Nowhere did I say Lewis lost his mind, I agree some of his behaviour is desperate but he is very far from insane. Nor did I call him an "unprofessional ingrate", so we can scratch that from your little outburst.
As for my "short memory", did McLaren not supply him with cars capable of a championship in 2007 and 2008? 2 out of 3 aint bad!

It smacks of petulance how he can lambast a team that has done more for him from the age of 8 than anyone could dream of. Yet he continuosly erodes or depricates his team over the radio.
The difference with all the other examples I gave was driver vs driver or FIA vs driver. With Hamilton its him vs his team on some radio comms, this is my gripe need I or anyone else spell it out. Of course I wouldnt expect you to understand, as I can tell you are a Hamilton fan who like alot of hamilton fans, get very hot under the collar when criticism is levelled at the bloke. Now why would that be.....

Okay, I accept I put the boot in a bit. But nevertheless, your comments are merely personal attacks on Lewis Hamilton.

So let's stick to key points then, shall we?

1. "It smacks of petulance" No, it doesn't. It smacks of a determined racer who sets a high standard for his team and acts accordingly.

2. "The difference with all the other examples I gave was driver vs driver or FIA vs driver" There is no difference. Your (and others') inference in several posts has been that Hamilton is desperate, agitated, or out of control. Clearly, in comparison to the examples, he is not any of those things.

3. "With Hamilton its him vs his team on some radio comms" Well this has nothing to do with you. If the team has a problem with it, let them deal with it. Lewis has brought them a championshiop and is driving to the best of his ability - he has repayed the debt.

McLaren don't need you playing mother and patronising them. The only reason to bring up the radio comms is to suggest Lewis is behaving badly, when again, in respect of other F1 drivers he is rather tame by comparison.

4. "I can tell you are a Hamilton fan who like alot of hamilton fans, get very hot under the collar when criticism is levelled at the bloke" Hot under the collar? Or merely defending a point of view? What were you saying about refraining from the personal crap?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Okay, I accept I put the boot in a bit. But nevertheless, your comments are merely personal attacks on Lewis Hamilton.

So let's stick to key points then, shall we?

1. "It smacks of petulance" No, it doesn't. It smacks of a determined racer who sets a high standard for his team and acts accordingly.

2. "The difference with all the other examples I gave was driver vs driver or FIA vs driver" There is no difference. Your (and others') inference in several posts has been that Hamilton is desperate, agitated, or out of control. Clearly, in comparison to the examples, he is not any of those things.

3. "With Hamilton its him vs his team on some radio comms" Well this has nothing to do with you. If the team has a problem with it, let them deal with it. Lewis has brought them a championshiop and is driving to the best of his ability - he has repayed the debt.

McLaren don't need you playing mother and patronising them. The only reason to bring up the radio comms is to suggest Lewis is behaving badly, when again, in respect of other F1 drivers he is rather tame by comparison.

4. "I can tell you are a Hamilton fan who like alot of hamilton fans, get very hot under the collar when criticism is levelled at the bloke" Hot under the collar? Or merely defending a point of view? What were you saying about refraining from the personal crap?

What McLaren need or want, is of no consequence to me as fart in the wind. What they think of my opinion is also of zero consequence.
However when Mclaren tell Hamilton in no uncertain terms and very publicly "you do the racing we do the strategy" in response to being lambasted by their driver, then yes, I will offer my view in this thread as that is its purpose.

As for it being my business or not, who cares? If the FIA are going to broadcast it to the world, then yes, it becomes public domain and open to critique.

[internetf1fan]

Hehe, I love how everyone complains about Hamilton being a PR robot but whenever incidents like these happen, everyone gets their panties in a twist.

We need less PR robots like Kimi and Webber and Button and Alonso in F1. We need more people like Hamilton who speak their heart.

And on top of that, people also complain about Hamiltons lack of "brain" etc and always having to rely on team for strategy and not thinking for himself, but when he does think for himself, he gets lambasted as well.

Hamilton bashers will latch on to anything to suit their agenda.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

And Hamilton lovers will defend their man in the face of all overpowering evidence.

[lebesset]

maybe it's just me , but when a driver is told halfway through a race to start saving the car when all he can do is follow the guy in front , something is seriously wrong
I can see that the McLaren is only the third best car at the moment , but surely trailing along in 5th place should be within it's compass ?

I am surprised that the team got such a mild response

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Maybe it just me, but is monaco not hard on brakes?
Perhaps Vettel and Webber could show Hamilton what happens when you dont get the team call to look out for them.

[lebesset]

yep , high brake wear , which is why the teams are careful to fit large enough brake ducts

hello team , you did fit large enough brake ducts , didn't you ?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

yep , high brake wear , which is why the teams are careful to fit large enough brake ducts

hello team , you did fit large enough brake ducts , didn't you ?

Are you insinuating McLaren arent up to the task?
As they did ask Lewis to keep the brakes cool.

What an absolute gem of fanboyism...