Flexiwings 2025

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Sergej wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 21:35

Yeah maybe but who cares about Mercedes and Ferrari ? Let's not pretend that all the talk about this TD wasn't aimed at McLaren and how they would have been slowed down, well so far they didn't give an absolute --- about it.
It's not a surprise to me that Mclaren can still sustain their performance but the discussion deserves more nuance than the low quality "haha we're still fast, take that Horner!" contributions of some.

A large part of Mclaren's advantage in Spain was the rear axle tire temperature management, according to Andrea Stella. I posted his comment about it on the previous page. It freed their setup window to run small rear wings. Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull had to run bigger rear wings to try in vain to keep the rear from sliding and generating heat which they could not control as well as Mclaren.

Why is that relevant in the flexi-wing discussion? The flexi-wing crack down made the cars edgier. This was reported up and down the paddock. Mclaren can live with more edginess and more sliding than the rest because they cool the rear tires better than the rest. From what I have read so far, Red Bull actually discovered that their flexi-wing was ****, and when they ran the TD compliant wing for the first time, they had their best friday to date....so basically their own attempt at the flexi-wing was hurting them, but they felt compelled to explore it. Now that it's off the table, it's actually made their car more sensible balance wise.

On the other hand, Mercedes is clearly suffering the consequences of the TD, and this strange race from Ferrari in conditions which should have suited them suggest that the TD may have played a role in their balance issues during the race. Leclerc already told us before the weekend that the TD made the car more oversteery. On a qualy lap, it's insignificant. On a long distance run, every slip lap after lap damages the tires.


I don't think it was unreasonable for Red Bull to think Mclaren could have been impacted. As we are seeing with Mercedes, it could have been a big deal for Mclaren and that was certainly worth a shot to see if anything came of it. What did they have to lose? Nothing. Their flexi-wing never worked.
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Read the earlier comments from weeks and months ago.

This was being lined up as an "I told you so" had the results been different today. Easily identifiable.
So its only reasonable that there is an equal appropriate response.
It's a sample of 1, but this was a clean sweep weekend by McLaren. At a track they arent at their strongest.
The pecking order is unchanged pretty much too. As you were.

Canada and Austria will present different problems. If McLaren lay down a couple more wins, there can be no arguments....this was a large waste of time and money.
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Quantum wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:07
Read the earlier comments from weeks and months ago.

This was being lined up as an "I told you so" had the results been different today. Easily identifiable.
So its only reasonable that there is an equal appropriate response.
Yep, it's appropriate that some people being unreasonable deserve an equally unreasonable response from the opposite side. Lots of obnoxious posts in here acting like they knew all along, when nobody really did.

And it wasn't a 'witch hunt'. Teams were clearly exploiting the spirit of the rules with the flexy front wings and the FIA had absolute justification in trying to clamp down on it. If there was any specific witch hunt against Mclaren, they wouldn't have waited a whole dang year before introducing any test revisions. smh

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Seanspeed wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 18:26
Quantum wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:07
Read the earlier comments from weeks and months ago.

This was being lined up as an "I told you so" had the results been different today. Easily identifiable.
So its only reasonable that there is an equal appropriate response.
Yep, it's appropriate that some people being unreasonable deserve an equally unreasonable response from the opposite side. Lots of obnoxious posts in here acting like they knew all along, when nobody really did.

And it wasn't a 'witch hunt'. Teams were clearly exploiting the spirit of the rules with the flexy front wings and the FIA had absolute justification in trying to clamp down on it. If there was any specific witch hunt against Mclaren, they wouldn't have waited a whole dang year before introducing any test revisions. smh
I'm sorry you feel that way
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Quantum wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 20:19
Seanspeed wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 18:26
Quantum wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:07
Read the earlier comments from weeks and months ago.

This was being lined up as an "I told you so" had the results been different today. Easily identifiable.
So its only reasonable that there is an equal appropriate response.
Yep, it's appropriate that some people being unreasonable deserve an equally unreasonable response from the opposite side. Lots of obnoxious posts in here acting like they knew all along, when nobody really did.

And it wasn't a 'witch hunt'. Teams were clearly exploiting the spirit of the rules with the flexy front wings and the FIA had absolute justification in trying to clamp down on it. If there was any specific witch hunt against Mclaren, they wouldn't have waited a whole dang year before introducing any test revisions. smh
I'm sorry you feel that way
I was actually one of the ones saying I was dubious it would have any impact on the competitive picture. Unlike many of y'all, I was never coming at this with any agenda involved.

The FIA only messed up by not addressing this either last season, or at the very least, during the off-season, rather than waiting to do something mid 2025. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Clamping down on teams exploiting rules is part and parcel of how this sport works. And let's not pretend that many people who claim this was all a 'witch hunt' are doing so for any reason other than worrying that Mclaren might genuinely have been affected.

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Seanspeed wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 23:13
I was actually one of the ones saying I was dubious it would have any impact on the competitive picture. Unlike many of y'all, I was never coming at this with any agenda involved.

The FIA only messed up by not addressing this either last season, or at the very least, during the off-season, rather than waiting to do something mid 2025. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Clamping down on teams exploiting rules is part and parcel of how this sport works. And let's not pretend that many people who claim this was all a 'witch hunt' are doing so for any reason other than worrying that Mclaren might genuinely have been affected.
Red Bull had a flexing wing for the 2010 season and into 2011 too. If it's ridiculous then it too is part and parcel of how the sport works.
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Mark Webber was annoyed after Sunday's race ,when the legality of the Red Bull wing was questioned. "Every time we are tested by the FIA, we pass," said the Australian, who won for the fourth time this season and now leads the world championship. "You should never penalise things that are ingenious and people who are doing a great job."
2011....
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Also claiming this was an FIA witch hunt did not emanate from me. This was a fishing expedition by a team that was publicly vocal about the effects it would have on McLaren. One of many fishing expeditions by them this season.
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Re: Flexiwings 2025

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Seanspeed wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 18:26
Quantum wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:07
Read the earlier comments from weeks and months ago.

This was being lined up as an "I told you so" had the results been different today. Easily identifiable.
So its only reasonable that there is an equal appropriate response.
Yep, it's appropriate that some people being unreasonable deserve an equally unreasonable response from the opposite side. Lots of obnoxious posts in here acting like they knew all along, when nobody really did.

And it wasn't a 'witch hunt'. Teams were clearly exploiting the spirit of the rules with the flexy front wings and the FIA had absolute justification in trying to clamp down on it. If there was any specific witch hunt against Mclaren, they wouldn't have waited a whole dang year before introducing any test revisions. smh
It's still being "exploited". It's just a reality of life. You can't use/make 100% rigid parts.