2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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The rumour thing about Montezemolo is true (albeit only a rumour), but Todt actually became CEO of Ferrari in 2004.

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Sevach wrote:
JordanMugen wrote:
20 Jul 2025, 17:39

Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal? :?:
According to the rumour mill of the time it was because Di Montezemolo felt pushed to the side and made unimportant by the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn core.

So he hired Kimi stepping over Todt and forcing Michael to make a decision, which ended up being his temporary retirement.
Todt wanted to be Ferrari president, moving from team boss to run the entire base at Maranello, road car division included, Luca didn't give him that so he walked(it was a few years before Jean decided to run for FIA president).
And ultimately he chose Domenicalli over Brawn as the new team boss, which led to Ross moving to greener pastures(Honda) where he was going to be in charge.
Räikkönen told in his book that he signed the 2007 Ferrari contract as early as 2005. So Schumacher was reigning champion when Ferrari decided to replace him.

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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 08:18

Räikkönen told in his book that he signed the 2007 Ferrari contract as early as 2005. So Schumacher was reigning champion when Ferrari decided to replace him.
Yes, Kimi signed at some point of 05, with Michael deciding on retirement mid 06.

From Montezemolo's perspective he didn't really fire or told Michael he wasn't needed anymore.
He offered him a new contract but under very different conditions, Kimi would join the team for 2007, this was already decided.
And Michael wouldn't have priority anymore, open fight between team mates.
Massa would be moved down, probably back to Sauber.

Michael decided to step down and retire, and Massa kept the seat for 2007(and 08, 09...)
gastonmazzacane wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 07:23
The rumour thing about Montezemolo is true (albeit only a rumour), but Todt actually became CEO of Ferrari in 2004.

On paper he got the job... but at same time with his position at FIAT plus board of directors Montezemolo started overulling Jean on who would drive for the team or who would be in charge of the team day to day operations...
And Todt chose to move on shortly after 07.

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Sevach wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 08:18

Räikkönen told in his book that he signed the 2007 Ferrari contract as early as 2005. So Schumacher was reigning champion when Ferrari decided to replace him.
Yes, Kimi signed at some point of 05, with Michael deciding on retirement mid 06.

From Montezemolo's perspective he didn't really fire or told Michael he wasn't needed anymore.
He offered him a new contract but under very different conditions, Kimi would join the team for 2007, this was already decided.
And Michael wouldn't have priority anymore, open fight between team mates.
Massa would be moved down, probably back to Sauber.

Michael decided to step down and retire, and Massa kept the seat for 2007(and 08, 09...)
I have heard that Räikkönen's contract was kept secret because of Schumacher's #1 driver clauses and sponsors. Räikkönen's contract was actually a preliminary contract which was activated when Schumacher would retire. So, was there even an intention to pair Räikkönen and Schumacher? It's very hard to believe that prime-Räikkönen would have signed with Ferrari so early just to join next to Schumacher, who was famous for destroying teammates.

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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 09:17

I have heard that Räikkönen's contract was kept secret because of Schumacher's #1 driver clauses and sponsors. Räikkönen's contract was actually a preliminary contract which was activated when Schumacher would retire. So, was there even an intention to pair Räikkönen and Schumacher? It's very hard to believe that prime-Räikkönen would have signed with Ferrari so early just to join next to Schumacher, who was famous for destroying teammates.
Wether he actually intended to pair Kimi and Michael or he simply used Kimi's arrival and Michael losing number 1 status as a way to get rid of Michael is something we'll never know... But he didn't outright say "thank you for your services" and closed the door on Michael.
I think both Michael and Massa confirmed this, Massa was waiting on Michael's decision.
Michael was still given a new contract option but it was under very different conditions to his previous one, and Montezemolo negotiated with Kimi before Michael.
Montezemolo took away Michael's negotiating leverage and made a, "gun to your head", stay or go offer.
And Michael chose to walk away.

Kimi would need to move anyway because Fernando signed with Mclaren before even sealing the 2005 title.
Ron did the same thing Luca did, signed a new star driver before going into negotiation with his current star and told him "Do you wanna stay? These are the terms... if you don't like it here's the door", so Kimi was eager to leave Mclaren and Ferrari was the most competitive option.
There was also Renault as an option(which took a nose dive in 07 but no one was predicting this) but they wouldn't reach Kimi's salary.

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Sevach wrote:
Kimi would need to move anyway because Fernando signed with Mclaren before even sealing the 2005 title.
Ron did the same thing Luca did, signed a new star driver before going into negotiation with his current star and told him "Do you wanna stay? These are the terms... if you don't like it here's the door", so Kimi was eager to leave Mclaren and Ferrari was the most competitive option.
There was also Renault as an option(which took a nose dive in 07 but no one was predicting this) but they wouldn't reach Kimi's salary.
Are we sure about the timeline? Wasn't McLaren eager to sign Räikkönen, who didn't respond and then they went after Alonso, meanwhile Räikkönen perhaps had his preliminary Ferrari contract in his pocket?