Singapore Grand Prix 2010 - Marina Bay

[komninosm]

2 cars going for the same piece of tarmac + poor visibility due to cockpit side = crash, bang, wallop.

Racing incident nothing more. That is the view that the race officials have taken and tey are correct.

So you're agreeing with stewards when it suits you and at other times you make conspiracy theories about em? :^o [-X
That's a bit hypocritical you know.
Note that I didn't ask for Webber to get penalty. I merely said it was his fault.

So by your logic I should either always agree or disagree with the race stewards no matter what the situation and irregardless of them being correct or not? So in 2011 I will go for a whole year agreeing with the race stewards, even when I think they are wrong.

The race stewards made the correct decision on this one and I agree with them. I know you would like anyone whole gets within 3 metres of Hamilton to get a penalty but that ain't the way things work. Accept that this was a racing incident and move on, there are other aspects to discuss. Here's a few to get you going:

1. Alonsos chop at the start,
2. Kobyashi's accident,
3. The Lotus afterburner and the inefficiency of the trackside marshalls,
4. Kubicas storming late race pace,
5. Schumacher v Heidfeld,
6. Vettels poor pitstop.
The list goes on....

No, I'm not saying you should always agree with the stewards. I'm saying that using what the stewards say as support for your argument, after you have shown such blatant disregard for the stewards before is hypocritical.
Also I said that your argument was largely a straw-man since I never said Webber should be penalized. I merely said it was his fault.
I see you keep on making fun of me though [in bold]. I await your apology too.

[andrew]

Just heard a comment on the TV about Webber's tyre barely on the rim after his bash with Hamilton. Anyone got a pic?

He did mention a major vibration after the contact so he's very lucky to have made it home and have held on to 3rd place.

Can't find a photo just yet but the tyre had come away from the rim a fair bit. Webber was lucky not to end up with a flat.

[komninosm]

Clearly you need glasses.
Bob is like 65% past and Hamilton lik 45% in those pics.
Also those pics are not at the exact same "place", one is a bit later than the other. Note the yellow lines by the curb for comparison. Webber had more time to lose his braking point and move further ahead.

Better look at the video from before the turn. Webber is behind Hamilton and then they come to the turn and go right to prepare for turning. Hamilton is ahead and on the braking zone that has been rubbered in. Yet Webber who is already behind and has to brake on the dirty side tries to outbrake Hamilton and causes the crash.

My Glasses work just fine thanks Komi, Webbers Front wheel is alongside Hamiltons Air box vs the FI's front wheels are almost parallel with Bobs rear wheels - a big difference imo.

The fact is Webbers tires werent as bad as the MacMerc engineers thought they where and Lewis thought Mark would be an easier kill. ergo racing incident.

I'm sorry I edited my post to say you were only wrong about the 90% for Kubica. Read it again please. Also about the timing of the photos and explanations (Webber losing the braking zone, while Sutil eased up)

[djos]

I see you keep on making fun of me though [in bold]. I await your apology too.

perhaps if you took a less combative approach to your posts you may find you get treated differently?

[komninosm]

@Komninosm: let it go.

I agree. Let it go, if you have nothing to add. [-X

[komninosm]

I still don't get why they didn't unlap themselves in the SC period. Has that rule been removed?

Yes, now they have to wait behind the SC in the track position they're in. Silly rule if you ask me.

IMO they should not unlap themselves. They should instead get lapped more lol by everyone behind them tnx

[747heavy]

I will be interessed to see, how much the FIA is to fine Kov/Lotus for this stunt.
That must be the most stupid thing I have seen in a long time. He should just have driven into the pitlane. Seening the fine for Sutil, I think 20000$ are a fair fine.

Very measured and faultless performance from Alonso/Ferrari.
At the end of the day, good effort/drive from Massa as well.

People keep poking fun at Sutil (I have no problem with that, and he sure has his moments), but when it counts he comes up with the goods, which can´t be said of his team mate. IMO Good and level headed race by him.

Webber vs. Hamilton was a racing incident IMO, nevertheless Webber can be happy that he got away with that one, without a drive throught. If he wins the WDC this year, he should send a Christmas card to the stewards.
Just compare to the Vettel/Button incident in Spa, with a similar outcome for the McL driver.
Webber is a lucky fellow this year, let´s see how long his deal with Karma lasts.

I´m a bit surprised that McLaren did not mirrored Webbers strategy with Button, just to cover all the bases.
Now they where outrun by RBR for pure speed and outsmarted for strategy as well.
They are in the mix, but not special, let´s see how it develops from here.

Interesting strategy from Kubica/Renault, and a very good/determinated drive from Kubica in the last laps. But Renault seems to stagnate a bit as far as outright car speed goes since Spa.

Fire is very scary. I don't think many humans are keen to stay in a car that is clearly completely on fire.

Kovi was just interviewed on the BBC. He said that he decided to not go into the pits as he was fearful of the engine exploding. At least on the track there is some protection for any by-standers but in the pits it would be horrific. Pretty darn brave of him to not just stop the car as soon as it was on fire and then jump out and run for it. On the basis of the TV coverage, the actions (or lack of) the trackside marshalls was poor.

O.K. fair enough
I still think, the more sensible think would have been to stop in the entrance to the pitlane off the track.
There it would have been much easier to attend the fire with proper equipment.
If he was fearfull that the engine could explode, he would not need to drive it all the way into the pitlane.
And, when was the last time we saw an engine explode? And why this would happen . technically, when you switch it off.
Sorry, I fail to see the sense in the that, but I respect that he was trying to do the right thing in his mind.
Nevertheless, I think he caused a avoidable incident, and that race control decided to let them race to the finish, just shows that at times show/commerce outweights any safety considerations.
But thats o.k. with me, and just the way things are

[WiktorF]

Fantastic win by Alonso. It seems that Ferrari has a chance to win a title this year. In fact Alonso have won 4 reces this year. Thats impressing.

I think Kubica had puncture in right rear wheel. That's why he has to do another pit stop. It was not in plan, becouse his pace was allright. In fact the overtaking Sutil was a fantastic action... On the outside!!!

As far as Webber vs Hamilton accident I think there was 50-50. Mark broke as late as Hamilton and both of them cought an unstabile braking. Hamilton give a little bit space for Mark, but not enough. I belive Mark couldn't avoid this contact after he choosed to brake on the limit. But Let's try to understand these guys - they are fighting for the Wolrd Title. It has to be a fight on the limit, so we know less margin from the limit you have more mistakes you do.

[komninosm]

I see you keep on making fun of me though [in bold]. I await your apology too.

perhaps if you took a less combative approach to your posts you may find you get treated differently?

Perhaps I'm not at fault all the time, but other are too some times?
Note that I keep defending myself and you keep calling me biased, provocative, etc.
Also note that I stick to the facts while others not so much (at least embellish a bit)

[komninosm]

Fantastic win by Alonso. It seems that Ferrari has a chance to win a title this year. In fact Alonso have won 4 reces this year. Thats impressing.

I think Kubica had puncture in right rear wheel. That's why he has to do another pit stop. It was not in plan, becouse his pace was allright. In fact the overtaking Sutil was a fantastic action... On the outside!!!

Yes they said Kubica had a puncture developing.

[andrew]

747Heavy - Sorry, I wasn't meaning to counter or critisize your post at all. It's spot on =D> I just thought I would hijack Giblets line on the fire.

I am surprised that Kovi kept going but I agree he should have stopped sooner or he maybe didn't know where the fire marshalls were situated. I would be surprised if Lotus/Kovi get away without a fine or a slap on the wrists.

[djos]

I see you keep on making fun of me though [in bold]. I await your apology too.

perhaps if you took a less combative approach to your posts you may find you get treated differently?

Perhaps I'm not at fault all the time, but other are too some times?
Note that I keep defending myself and you keep calling me biased, provocative, etc.
Also note that I stick to the facts while others not so much (at least embellish a bit)

Komi, facts are often coloured by perceptions and bias so what you may consider a fact I may consider speculation and vice a versa. If you think you are right about something fair enuf, argue your point but try not to make it personal when others continue to see things differently.

[komninosm]

I'm sorry I edited my post to say you were only wrong about the 90% for Kubica. Read it again please. Also about the timing of the photos and explanations (Webber losing the braking zone, while Sutil eased up)

We disagree, lets leave it at that shall we.

Again someone tries to make it about opinions when it is about facts.
We disagree but also the fact is that even in those pics (which do not show all the story) Kubica is not 90% ahead of Sutil. That is a fact and I know you didn't really mean it, you were probably embellishing and 90 is a nice round number unlike say 67% or whatever. I know I'm being kinda nerdy too. Still my other points are valid too.

[komninosm]

Can't find a photo just yet but the tyre had come away from the rim a fair bit. Webber was lucky not to end up with a flat.

Which proves there is no god or karma :p
just kidding

Actually I reckon it means that his seven years of bad luck finally ran out at the end of last season.

Webber had 7 years of bad luck? And they run out last season?
It seemed to me he was a poor driver in a poor car for those years and is unlucky this year with team mate Vettel crashing into him and various other stuff. Still not the greatest driver either

[djos]

I'm sorry I edited my post to say you were only wrong about the 90% for Kubica. Read it again please. Also about the timing of the photos and explanations (Webber losing the braking zone, while Sutil eased up)

We disagree, lets leave it at that shall we.

Again someone tries to make it about opinions when it is about facts.
We disagree but also the fact is that even in those pics (which do not show all the story) Kubica is not 90% ahead of Sutil. That is a fact and I know you didn't really mean it, you were probably embellishing and 90 is a nice round number unlike say 67% or whatever. I know I'm being kinda nerdy too. Still my other points are valid too.

Komi, in Aussie Tin Top racing (and most other similar categories) if the person down the inside of the corner is at the B pillar (center of the car, which Webber was) or better, the person on the outside is obliged to ensure there is racing room - the fact is Hamilton thought he was further past Mark than he was and turned in too tight and Mark could not avoid the accident.