2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 15:22
I told you guys they car will do well on this track. McLarens can be beat if we play the cards right.
Fairy tales. Mclarens will be far gone.

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Space-heat wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 17:05
dans79 wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 15:45
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
31 Jul 2025, 22:15


And he knows it :lol:

Hungary involves a lot more tire management, In Monaco one good lap in qualifying can win you the race.
Are you saying Charles isn't top-level at tyre management...this is just mad, see Suzuka 24' and Monza 24'.
What about suzuka 22?

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A mid-season nerfed F1-75, a wet race, and four seasons ago. Sometimes, I don't know if people are just trying to get a rise, or if they actually believe it, or if I have completely misunderstood...

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Space-heat wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 17:52
A mid-season nerfed F1-75, a wet race, and four seasons ago. Sometimes, I don't know if people are just trying to get a rise, or if they actually believe it, or if I have completely misunderstood...
That car was an absolute disaster with inters. Leclerc couldn't manage the race because had Perez behin with a car that was over 1s per lap faster
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At a glance Leclerc's long runs on the medium seem around the same as Piastri's. Does anyone have the exact lap times?

Also, where did these Astons come from? :wtf:

Space-heat wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 17:52
A mid-season nerfed F1-75, a wet race, and four seasons ago. Sometimes, I don't know if people are just trying to get a rise, or if they actually believe it, or if I have completely misunderstood...
If they need to go back four seasons to make a point, it's better to just ignore :P

Nobody who watches races could think Leclerc has bad tire management now.

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I am kind of sick of so much regulations with current F1. What we see is since 2014 one Car maker has run away with the championship. First it was Mercedes with some Ferrari fightback. Then with ground affect we see RB dominating and now Mclaren. Issue here is that in the mid season the team is unable to change the concept of the car when they find its not the right one. This is due to CFD allocations or the constraint on the money etc.

It is also very difficult to simulate all the aspects of the car in the race trim barring only 3 days of testing. Earlier there was some scope where the Car makers had to choose the allocation of tyres however currently even it is standarized.

All in all F1 has lost the charm where 2 or 3 car makers are fighting for the championship.

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Answering my own question. Ferrari look good in both qualifying and race pace as long as the conditions don't change


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Xyz22 wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 17:54
That car was an absolute disaster with inters. Leclerc couldn't manage the race because had Perez behin with a car that was over 1s per lap faster
It wasn't the tyre muncher the SF23 was, but that season was annoying as we were always lacking in race pace to RB.

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01 Aug 2025, 17:59
If they need to go back four seasons to make a point, it's better to just ignore :P

Nobody who watches races could think Leclerc has bad tire management now.
Yes, but some stuff seems so out there, I assume I have misunderstood.

Car looks in a good place. Leclerc was complaining about the brakes in his first M run, unsure if they replaced them for the quali sim. Race pace looked good, not as strong as FP1 at a glance, but would have to see the actual chart.

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Space-heat wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 18:19

Car looks in a good place. Leclerc was complaining about the brakes in his first M run, unsure if they replaced them for the quali sim. Race pace looked good, not as strong as FP1 at a glance, but would have to see the actual chart.
The brakes might just be a car characteristic or it has to do with the way they're driving? As Leclerc complained about it and Hamilton was told repeatedly to be more careful.

Also of note, Canal reported earlier today that the driver's reaction to the new brake pads (introduced in Montreal for Leclerc and last week for Hamilton) overall wasn't very positive and the team are still trying to find ways to solve the issue of poor feel.

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f1Follower wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 18:08
I am kind of sick of so much regulations with current F1. What we see is since 2014 one Car maker has run away with the championship. First it was Mercedes with some Ferrari fightback. Then with ground affect we see RB dominating and now Mclaren. Issue here is that in the mid season the team is unable to change the concept of the car when they find its not the right one. This is due to CFD allocations or the constraint on the money etc.

It is also very difficult to simulate all the aspects of the car in the race trim barring only 3 days of testing. Earlier there was some scope where the Car makers had to choose the allocation of tyres however currently even it is standarized.

All in all F1 has lost the charm where 2 or 3 car makers are fighting for the championship.
Unleashing budgets caps doesn't do much to help competition at the top. F1 always goes through periods of dominance. It's actually uncommon to have seasons where multiple manufacturers have similarly competitive cars at the very front competing for a title on close grounds.

Mclaren managed the transition to the front. Ferrari can only blame themselves, not the regulations. They've had ample opportunity to rectify problems with the car and take the next step. But they've simply taken the wrong steps. Lack of budget did not cause this.

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Ferrari of the mighty years would have gone for Adrian Newey and then Max Verstappen, not Fred Vasseur and LH. But now the team is not interested in winning championships...Last championship was 17 years ago...the 21 years gap is approaching.
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I think this is looking about what we can expect - decent pace, best of the rest, McLaren out front. I think McLaren tend to run a bit hotter in FP2 so the quali gap probably not quite as big as what we see here (I think Aston and McLaren seem to run a similar PU mode on the Mercedes across the weekend - Mercedes for whatever reason are more conservative) but no realistic chance of a win here. Small, incremental gains from the suspension though, which is something.

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j_ste wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 17:39
PlatinumZealot wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 15:22
I told you guys they car will do well on this track. McLarens can be beat if we play the cards right.
Those cards involve witchcraft? Car looks fine, there is just a more fine car infront. Charles look steady in all three sectors…Lewis is being destroyed in the final sector
Charles is better representstive of the car. Lewis is being destroyed by who?
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mika vs michael wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 20:58
Ferrari of the mighty years would have gone for Adrian Newey and then Max Verstappen, not Fred Vasseur and LH. But now the team is not interested in winning championships...Last championship was 17 years ago...the 21 years gap is approaching.
Adrian has made it clear countless times already the sort of organization he likes working for and Ferrari is definitely the opposite of that! The Ferrari of old may have tried for Adrian but they wont have bent over for him.
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mika vs michael wrote:
01 Aug 2025, 20:58
Ferrari of the mighty years would have gone for Adrian Newey and then Max Verstappen, not Fred Vasseur and LH. But now the team is not interested in winning championships...Last championship was 17 years ago...the 21 years gap is approaching.
How would having Verstappen solve any of Ferrari's problems? #-o