2025 McLaren F1 Team

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I have been moderately critical of the way they handled this - Oscar's radio challenge that the pitstop issue wasn't an undercut so the promises technically don't apply. Being the good team player he is he quickly relented and played the game. There is a seeming element of manufacturing outcomes and that's where the optics look poor. On the other hand there's a bit of hypocrisy in some of the loudest critics who last year were calling for the team to turn Oscar into a rear gunner to Lando.

I guess there's another disappointment for me that I thought once the WCC is assured (it virtually is and should be clinched at Baku) it's each driver (and engineer) for himself provided there's no contact. At the moment nothing could be further from that. Let them race. Maybe they will.

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BMMR61 wrote:
09 Sep 2025, 13:05
I have been moderately critical of the way they handled this - Oscar's radio challenge that the pitstop issue wasn't an undercut so the promises technically don't apply. Being the good team player he is he quickly relented and played the game. There is a seeming element of manufacturing outcomes and that's where the optics look poor. On the other hand there's a bit of hypocrisy in some of the loudest critics who last year were calling for the team to turn Oscar into a rear gunner to Lando.

I guess there's another disappointment for me that I thought once the WCC is assured (it virtually is and should be clinched at Baku) it's each driver (and engineer) for himself provided there's no contact. At the moment nothing could be further from that. Let them race. Maybe they will.
The problem with that is that there is still just one pit box/crew.

Either way, McLaren would still prioritize team harmony with the future in mind.
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hollus wrote:
09 Sep 2025, 13:03
Essentially you are suggesting with that split (@Basti) is pitting Lando early, so Max has to cover, resulting in Oscar benefitting.
Finish line is Oscar-Max-Lando.
Maybe. Or...RedBull does not react as they do not want to pit Max behind Lewis, which would be the other way round.
Which should in any case not play any role, as the team comes first, right? And a 1-3 is better than 2-3 for the team?
hollus wrote:
09 Sep 2025, 13:03
I’d love to hear that radio call:
Well, I would love to hear anything but them quitting racing.
As Balalu said...they are about "harmony". That I always dreamed about in F1. You too?
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Emag wrote:
09 Sep 2025, 13:02
Some people here refuse to accept any criticism at all. It creates this fake atmosphere of sunflowers and daisies where everything feels calm and reserved just because, in the bigger picture, it does not matter much right now. McLaren are almost guaranteed both titles. But if you are looking at it objectively, you cannot only judge things through rose-tinted glasses. There is nothing wrong with pointing out weaknesses or missteps along the way. Constructive criticism is part of following the sport, and it does not mean you are being overly negative or dramatic. People should relax a bit and not take every comment as some harsh attack, because at the end of the day it is just discussing the sport we all enjoy.

It was not a catastrophic strategy, but it was not good either. The whole idea was shut down quickly by Max’s pace, and there was no real need to force it and create unnecessary risk.

However, moments like this matter because it shows that right now the pit wall is without question the weakest link in what is otherwise a really complete team. Since last year it has been clear that the strategy group is a step behind compared to how quickly the rest of the operation has developed. The car, the drivers, the pit crew, all of that is at a top level, while the decision-making on the wall still lags a bit. They are obviously aware of this and working to close the gap. Will Courtenay coming in next year is a sign they are investing in that area, and there are probably more behind-the-scenes adjustments happening at lower levels that we don't hear about.

That's the last thing I have to say on the topic. Looking forward to Baku. It should be slightly better for McLaren there but I expect a really strong RedBull again. It seems their last upgrade package has brought that car into a more comfortable window for Max, however one race is too small a sample to draw conclusions from. Singapore probably will be the "real" test.
I think the issue is more that some who are critiquing aren't capable of carrying forward the possibility they are wrong.

It is put in such absolute terms that it isnt an opinion but an immutable truth.

Those people are driving this conversation, and those conversations are always unhealthy. Because neither side can see a way to compromise or agree to disagree.

Its probably also not great to make a massive bold opinion that is put so forcefully as to demand acceptance, and then claim the opposing bold statements are because others dont like criticism.

Kind of feels like they want their opinion to be untouchable.

Which of course it isnt, being only a subjective opinion.
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I can't wait for Baku weekend to come, just for the sake of this thread shifting it's focus from 'whether the team order was correct or not'. Done to death topic. Let's move on, please. Nothing we say here or what the media says, is in any way going to influence the way the team is run. Why don't we go back to analyzing 'technical' aspects of the car/driving ?