No, I don´t forget anything, and no, Lewis would have done exactly the same with both Alonso and Seb, because he couldn´t do anything different. In that scenario you can only a/ do what he did, go a bit long and push your rival out. b/release the throttle and let him some space, what means gift him the leadership as next corner was to the right. No top driver would do that, the driver at the right will never change that.Vasconia wrote:People tend to forget those movements when they are done by Lewis, its funny. I wont bring back what happened in Barcelona. I will simply say that Lewis knows that he is far superior to Nico in those wheel to wheel battles and he acts differently as he would do with Alonso or Vettel. With thouse drivers he would be hard but more cautious, with Nico not.Andres125sx wrote:
Rosberg can´t fight wheel to wheel. You can´t win a WDC like this, specially if your team mate is that good. I like the guy, but as a driver I´m afraid he´s several steps down Lewis
What a race for Carlos!. On a power track, with a year old Ferrari PU, he managed to climb from p20 to p9 and score 2 point, impressive. Kvyat countdown in F1 is accelerating
You don´t need to figure it out, he did exactly the same only two races ago, only difference is Nico move cost 43 points to the team (ruined an easy 1-2), while Lewis one only cost 8 points (from p2 to p5 for Nico)Vasconia wrote: The question is...what would have happened if Nico would have done the same?
Sincerely, that is what happens when one of your drivers push the other to the grass, and the team say there´s none to blame. Lewis took note and applied same theory yesterday, except situation was a lot more excusable (first corner and he didn´t do any mistake, unlike Nico who pushed Lewis out after his own mistake with PU mapping)
Nico got in return same he did two races ago.
Sainz is doing a great, I cant wait to see him in another team.
Rosberg didn´t yield, that´s the reason there was a contact, so no, the name of the driver at the right would have changed nothing. If the driver at the inner line takes the racing line, there´s nothing the driver in the outer line can do.Schuttelberg wrote:Restomaniac wrote:I disagree on that. Vettel and and Alonso wouldn't have put their cars there because they would have known the outcome. Rosberg just didn't see that coming because he wouldn't have done what Hamiton did.Vasconia wrote:
People tend to forget those movements when they are done by Lewis, its funny. I wont bring back what happened in Barcelona. I will simply say that Lewis knows that he is far superior to Nico in those wheel to wheel battles and he acts differently as he would do with Alonso or Vettel. With thouse drivers he would be hard but more cautious, with Nico not.
Sainz is doing a great, I cant wait to see him in another team.
Some people in sport would step on their own granny to win, others wouldn't and they judge the competition with that view IMHO.
Well, it's a little different when you're team mates as well. While I mostly agree with you, if Alonso/Vettel had placed their cars where Rosberg did, Hamilton would also know that they're perfectly capable of 'not yielding.'
And that was his huge mistake, do not factor tires couls last so long in low temperatures.lebesset wrote:the ferrari strategy was as agreed before the race and using the virtual safety car period to stop was actually very cute ; what wasn't factored in was that the tyres would last so long in the exceptionally low temperatures , also that hamilton would be able to carry on and test thatAndres125sx wrote:Forgot to comment about Ferrari.... OMG Ferrari.... Their strategists should be fired, actually they should have been fired long ago, I lost count how many times they messed it up
Also, their pit-stop mechanics are far from what a team like Ferrari should enjoy, almost 1 second slower than RB, 2,3 vs 3,1 seconds. That´s a lot of time in F1 and specially at the pitstops, since that´s the best chance to overtake, or to be overtaken
can I quote rabbie burns here ? try...to a mouse
The battles between Hamilton and Alonso haven tough but cleaner in my opinion. And I still think that Hamilton pushes Rosberg to the limit when they fight because he thinks he will make a mistake.Andres125sx wrote:No, I don´t forget anything, and no, Lewis would have done exactly the same with both Alonso and Seb, because he couldn´t do anything different. In that scenario you can only a/ do what he did, go a bit long and push your rival out. b/release the throttle and let him some space, what means gift him the leadership as next corner was to the right. No top driver would do that, the driver at the right will never change that.
If they´re failing consistently as Ferrari strategist are doing, then yes, if it´s been a single mistake, then no. Is that that weird to you? Ferrari strategist are failing race after race, for a very long period now. This is not new, with Alonso they lost at least 1, maybe 2 titles because of that, poor strategist. Some seasons after, even after team renovation, they still keep making same mistakesgiantfan10 wrote:Sheesh... you should know better....Andres125sx wrote:Forgot to comment about Ferrari.... OMG Ferrari.... Their strategists should be fired, actually they should have been fired long ago, I lost count how many times they messed it up
Also, their pit-stop mechanics are far from what a team like Ferrari should enjoy, almost 1 second slower than RB, 2,3 vs 3,1 seconds. That´s a lot of time in F1 and specially at the pitstops, since that´s the best chance to overtake, or to be overtaken
How about we fire every single strategist on the pit wall because every single team yesterday ran a 2 stop race with at least one of their cars thinking that the softs would not last that long.
Because they have good strategist who can read race conditions, unlike Ferrarigiantfan10 wrote:Mercedes with Hamilton planned a two stopper and switched to a one stopper because they rightly sssumed that was the only way they had a shot of finishing ahead of Vettel.
Yes please!!!giantfan10 wrote:heck lets fire pirelli too because the soft tire never hit a cliff and kept going like the energizer bunny...lol
I don´t do statements based on last race, that, IMHO would be opportunist.giantfan10 wrote:Pit stops and red bull... really?? After Monaco and ricciardos long stop with right front wheel issues in canad you hold red bull as some shining example of pit stop perfection?
Bottas with a 1 stopper finished 12 seconds and 2 positions ahead of Rosberg, and 13 seconds and 3 postions ahead of Kimigiantfan10 wrote:Pretty biased overview of the race if you ask me.wickedz50 wrote:I feel the same but somewhere in their heart they knew they do not have the pace to fend off Merc on the soft tyres. They were hoping for rain or SC or some sorts of interruption. It was a collective decision and that's why Vettel was pretty cool about it.Andres125sx wrote:Forgot to comment about Ferrari.... OMG Ferrari.... Their strategists should be fired, actually they should have been fired long ago, I lost count how many times they messed it up
Also, their pit-stop mechanics are far from what a team like Ferrari should enjoy, almost 1 second slower than RB, 2,3 vs 3,1 seconds. That´s a lot of time in F1 and specially at the pitstops, since that´s the best chance to overtake, or to be overtaken
Merc tyre management is exceptional and Ferrari have no answers now. Previously they were very good but these days they are like fish out of the water.
Experts in the Ferrari team must be having better data to confirm their 2 stop strategy which we cannot see.
None the less unless that chasis and aero improves there is no hope this season.
Its bad luck that there was no rain nor any SC. They played their cards based on uncertain events. Luck is not on Ferrari's side at the moment.
EVERY team thought a 2 stop strategy was the way to go including Mercedes.
Vettel with a 2 stopper finished 5 seconds back from Hamilton
In 2014, same corner, same guys but in the other order. Hamilton did make it to the apex following Rosberg and didn't go off.Andres125sx wrote:Rosberg didn´t yield, that´s the reason there was a contact, so no, the name of the driver at the right would have changed nothing. If the driver at the inner line takes the racing line, there´s nothing the driver in the outer line can do.Schuttelberg wrote:Restomaniac wrote:I disagree on that. Vettel and and Alonso wouldn't have put their cars there because they would have known the outcome. Rosberg just didn't see that coming because he wouldn't have done what Hamiton did.
Some people in sport would step on their own granny to win, others wouldn't and they judge the competition with that view IMHO.
Well, it's a little different when you're team mates as well. While I mostly agree with you, if Alonso/Vettel had placed their cars where Rosberg did, Hamilton would also know that they're perfectly capable of 'not yielding.'
At any other situation, that would mean a penalty for Lewis, but it was first corner of first lap, rules usually don´t apply here.
I agree generally speaking, but not in this exact situation where there was no more options than giving up first position, or pushing him out.Vasconia wrote:The battles between Hamilton and Alonso haven tough but cleaner in my opinion. And I still think that Hamilton pushes Rosberg to the limit when they fight because he thinks he will make a mistake.Andres125sx wrote:No, I don´t forget anything, and no, Lewis would have done exactly the same with both Alonso and Seb, because he couldn´t do anything different. In that scenario you can only a/ do what he did, go a bit long and push your rival out. b/release the throttle and let him some space, what means gift him the leadership as next corner was to the right. No top driver would do that, the driver at the right will never change that.
I'm not implying that Lewis should have been penalized. Rosberg did yield by taking to the grass. If he puts his car on the track and doesn't go off, they collide. You do it once or twice and the next time drivers around you know that if they don't take evasive action there will be contact. That's how you put doubt in your competitors. In my opinion, without this thought, Rosberg's attempt was daft. Hamilton would never have simply allowed him to whistle by. The only way you pass around the outside there is by exploiting that doubt. If it's not there, then put it out there! No doubt there are consequences, but to be WDC you have to be that ruthless.Andres125sx wrote:Rosberg didn´t yield, that´s the reason there was a contact, so no, the name of the driver at the right would have changed nothing. If the driver at the inner line takes the racing line, there´s nothing the driver in the outer line can do.Schuttelberg wrote:Restomaniac wrote:I disagree on that. Vettel and and Alonso wouldn't have put their cars there because they would have known the outcome. Rosberg just didn't see that coming because he wouldn't have done what Hamiton did.
Some people in sport would step on their own granny to win, others wouldn't and they judge the competition with that view IMHO.
Well, it's a little different when you're team mates as well. While I mostly agree with you, if Alonso/Vettel had placed their cars where Rosberg did, Hamilton would also know that they're perfectly capable of 'not yielding.'
At any other situation, that would mean a penalty for Lewis, but it was first corner of first lap, rules usually don´t apply here.
I don't know how you came up with the theory that Alonso lost titles because of Ferrari strategy. The problem with Alonso and his fans is that evrything right is done by their driver and everything wrong is done by the team. I'm assuming you're talking about the strategy @ AbuDhabi in 2010 and the strategists couldn't do anything in that situation. The mistake came from Alonso at the start when he lost a position to Button. This is never spoken about because obviously, how can Alonso be wrong. Also, at Brazil 2012, Ferrari's strategy was spotless. There are numerous reasons why Alonso and Ferrari didn't click and Alonso himself is one of them. Driving the car isn't enough.Andres125sx wrote:If they´re failing consistently as Ferrari strategist are doing, then yes, if it´s been a single mistake, then no. Is that that weird to you? Ferrari strategist are failing race after race, for a very long period now. This is not new, with Alonso they lost at least 1, maybe 2 titles because of that, poor strategist. Some seasons after, even after team renovation, they still keep making same mistakesgiantfan10 wrote:Sheesh... you should know better....Andres125sx wrote:Forgot to comment about Ferrari.... OMG Ferrari.... Their strategists should be fired, actually they should have been fired long ago, I lost count how many times they messed it up
Also, their pit-stop mechanics are far from what a team like Ferrari should enjoy, almost 1 second slower than RB, 2,3 vs 3,1 seconds. That´s a lot of time in F1 and specially at the pitstops, since that´s the best chance to overtake, or to be overtaken
How about we fire every single strategist on the pit wall because every single team yesterday ran a 2 stop race with at least one of their cars thinking that the softs would not last that long.
Because they have good strategist who can read race conditions, unlike Ferrarigiantfan10 wrote:Mercedes with Hamilton planned a two stopper and switched to a one stopper because they rightly sssumed that was the only way they had a shot of finishing ahead of Vettel.