From what I have learned from one of these employees, is that it is not that they are not good enough, it is that you are not allowed to make your boss look bad by finding a solution before he does. I have held several positions like this myself (none for very long), and I honestly believe that there is deffinately a culture of job protectionism in the staff-cutting phase that F1 is currently in.noname wrote:the ones which lost their jobs just were not good enough.Conceptual wrote:I have to say that if USF1 happens to pick up all of the disgruntled Junior F1 engineers that left their jobs because they weren't allowed to participate in the design of upgrades (the test-only guys that know more than anyone else), and USF1 lets them run their own space, you could see the best of each car on the USF1 challenger next year.
with all respect to test guys (I worked with quite a few, not in F1 for clarity, and I respect them as they are important part of the development team) they are not the ones who know more than anybody else. the fact that you can run the tests does not mean you know how to create successful design.
usually its design engineer (the one who signs the drawings) job to define tests requirements, and to interpret the results.
It happens in droves over here (don't know about other places) and it's nothing new, I've heard my folks complain about it for years now. I myself got in trouble at my $7.25/hr work study job for taking a long lunch to buy a Firewire cable that I couldn't do my job without, with my own money. My boss said "I told you to use the shorter one I brought in until Mary talks to purchasing and they talk to the bursar and he talks to the president and blah blah bureaucratic reasons for not doing work blah!" and threatened to fire me! I said "You mean the one with the wrong number of pins...?" People get fat and complacent on their bureaucratic titles and stop worrying about getting results, then get threatened by people trying to actually produce. She's still convinced I'm trying to undermine her; I'm just trying to get my pittance and go home.xpensive wrote:Interesting that, my xperience from doing engineering work on both sides of the Atlantic is that said attitude, seeing threats rather than possibilities, is very much an American speciality. Not in any unknown here either, but I never seen such blatant xamples of management "Cover your ass" and "Stealing credit" as in the US.
Reporting for duty?Conceptual wrote:Give me the misfits that are loud, in your face, cocky and brilliant any day.
after more than 6 years of working for one of the biggest US corporation (advertising itself as a technology leader, even if they can not make anything right) I have to agree with Xpensive. as well as with Conceptual in his hate of corporate micromanagement.xpensive wrote:Interesting that, my xperience from doing engineering work on both sides of the Atlantic is that said attitude, seeing threats rather than possibilities, is very much an American speciality. Not in any way unknown here either, but I never seen such blatant xamples of management "Cover your ass" and "Stealing credit" as in the US.
and I thought it was the Michelin Man.mx_tifosi wrote:It's 'The Stig's' overweight American cousin!
...with diabetes and high cholesterol of course.