2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ScuderiaLeo]

Sainz shoud have never gotten a seat at Ferrari to begin with...

He is probably the worst driver to drive for the team in the past two decades or more.

He might be the "worst" but he's still a good driver.

That says more about the caliber of talent Ferrari has had- extremely high, the best out of all teams over the past few regulation sets. There are no other teams in F1 where you can say they haven't had a single below average driver other than Ferrari.

All that and yet the team has 0 titles to show for it is the real shame...

I disagree that Sainz shouldn't have got the seat. He was the obvious pick in 2020, he was widely considered one of the best midfield drivers and it's not like there were many other options. Who would you have chosen?

[Emag]

There has got to be sentiment involved with statements like these.

Carlos was better than post 2009 Massa. He was better than 2019 & 2020 Seb and I know its touchy subject for some, but Carlos was also better than Raikkonen was on his 2nd F1 stint too.

If I have to pick the worst driver for Ferrari in the last 20 years, I would say 2010-2013 Massa by far.

[ScuderiaLeo]

There has got to be sentiment involved with statements like these.

Carlos was better than post 2009 Massa. He was better than 2019 & 2020 Seb and I know its touchy subject for some, but Carlos was also better than Raikkonen was on his 2nd F1 stint too.

If I have to pick the worst driver for Ferrari in the last 20 years, I would say 2010-2013 Massa by far.

I assumed they were talking about the drivers's whole careers and not just individual years. I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue Sainz was worse than 2020 Vettel

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Worst Ferrari driver in past 20 years…..

Surely Luca Badoer, no??

[Big Tea]

There are probably combination effects to consider for which we don't have enough information too.
I do not even pretend to be smart enough to include everything, so please excuse my naivety and lack of knowledge and technical terms when I give my "off the cuff" thoughts, which I am sure many others have done in a better format.

Tyre pressure along with the effects of ride height also affect traction, not only in cornering and acceleration but the ability to put more drag on them for energy recovery which becomes it own feed back loop loosing on both ends. In addition extra fuel must be used replacing the lost charge and the lost power from the motor, which could also affect the mode he was allowed due to unanticipated fuel use . I can see this being a complete can of worms that threw up some unexpected work for the Strat team, who probably had different thoughts to the driver and engineer causing more "worms".

[AR3-GP]

It's 100% a negative feedback loop. Higher cold pressures become even higher rolling pressures. Car slides more, tires get hotter, pressure increases, ground clearance increases, car slides more, tires get hotter, pressure increases, ground clearance increases, tire deg, +++

[deadhead]

If there was something major/structural going on that might’ve caused a DNF why not let the driver know instead of letting him fume for half the race distance?

A simple “we have a major issue you need to nurse the car home” would’ve sufficed.

[IntrinsicVoid]

If there was something major/structural going on that might’ve caused a DNF why not let the driver know instead of letting him fume for half the race distance?

A simple “we have a major issue you need to nurse the car home” would’ve sufficed.

Exactly, its plain simple that they didn’t want to spill the beans what the issue was.

[AR3-GP]

RUS,PIA,LEC were checked for plank wear according to scrutineering document.



https://www.fia.com/documents/champions ... -2025-2071

No cars were checked at Spa. Odd.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I'm surprised AR hasn't chimed in on the plank or chassis controversy yet.

It's probably because they have no information on it, meaning I wouldn't trust information from any other source either.

Worst Ferrari driver in past 20 years…..

Surely Luca Badoer, no??

I guess technically Badoer was a driver in the last twenty years, but wasn't that only for one race? Lol

[Seanspeed]

There has got to be sentiment involved with statements like these.

Carlos was better than post 2009 Massa. He was better than 2019 & 2020 Seb and I know its touchy subject for some, but Carlos was also better than Raikkonen was on his 2nd F1 stint too.

If I have to pick the worst driver for Ferrari in the last 20 years, I would say 2010-2013 Massa by far.

Massa was not some different driver after 2009. He was comprehensively beaten in 2006 by Schumacher, much like he was comprehensively beaten by Alonso(albeit no longer in a top car and thus performance deficits were punished harder). Massa was also never even better than Heidfeld or Fisichella.

Among Ferrari drivers of the past two decades, I'd put Sainz ahead of Massa, Kimi and Fisichella. Not by miles, but if you believe Leclerc is a top driver, then those other guys were all beaten by actual top drivers much more significantly.

[hollus]

Can we stop the driver ying yang of decades past? Why not talk Fangio, then?.
It detracts from the, you know, "tech" thing that is special about this forum. As in, literally dilutes it and drowns it away.
There are other forums for pure Ferrari fandom.

[Xyz22]

So McLaren has already won 10 races this year which is the same amount of wins Ferrari collected from 2020 to 2024.
They will finish the year around 20 wins, probably. In order to arrive at 20 wins for Ferrari we need to go back to mid 2017.

These results highlight the difference between a Team that worked well with the goal of winning the world championship:
- Pushed for budget cap which allowed them to compete
- Invested huge amount of money in state of the start structures
- Hired top engineers and put great talents in leading positions

People thinking that Ferrari can produce a better car than McLaren are completely delusional.