Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

[raymondu999]

Brundle's take on Lewis's interview
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axns_zKvamI[/youtube]

[andartop]

@ Ringo, check my previous reply to your post about Button.

[ell66]

and on lewis's incidents, it was his fault for making contact with massa, HOWEVER massa came out in front with no damage from lewis and got taken a couple of corners later fairly, massa had damaged his front wing against webber before hamilton and him touched, so why lewis got a penalty im not to sure.
the second one with pastor was a racing incident, look how early he turned in,just compare that to all the other cars.
these guys need to realise when to give it up, just like lewis did faily when schu got up the inside on lap 1.

oh and vettel fluked this one.

[andartop]

Another one for Lewis' collection...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91858

[ringo]

The Team had informed Button that Vettel's tires were about to go off the cliff in 2-3 laps, then the red flag came out. He was just waiting for the right moment. As opposed to crashing into everyone and collecting penalties...

Yes but it doesn't guarantee the race will run smooth till that happens. If Vettel's tyres went off he would still have to hound him for an overtake, and his tyres would be in advanced degredation as well.

He had chances, many chances. He ignored them and lost a win, just like in Monza last year.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Brundle's take on Lewis's interview
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axns_zKvamI[/youtube]

No suprises there from the Red Bull-CC, which motorhome is that their at?

[Shrieker]

Another one for Lewis' collection...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91858

From now on, if you want someone to get a penalty, just invite for an overtake and turn onto them.

How cute.

[beelsebob]

Brakes stop the car. They don't make you slide into people. He hit Maldonado anyway so don't know how it would be "much worse".

Well, you cannot steer fully when on the brakes, so to stop enoguh you have to go pretty much forward. The space was not there to stop doing so so he would have hit.

Can you explain how the brakes are connected to the steering column?

If you don't understand how this works, you need to go try driving for a while – breaking and turning at the same time results in exactly one thing – locked wheels, and sliding sideways into a barrier.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Can you explain how the brakes are connected to the steering column?

If you don't understand how this works, you need to go try driving for a while – breaking and turning at the same time results in exactly one thing – locked wheels, and sliding sideways into a barrier.

That's what I explained here no?

It'll turn to full lock, just understeer like hell. I'm sure that's what he meant, he should just be clearer.

[vall]

and on lewis's incidents, it was his fault for making contact with massa, HOWEVER massa came out in front with no damage from lewis and got taken a couple of corners later fairly, massa had damaged his front wing against webber before hamilton and him touched, so why lewis got a penalty im not to sure.
the second one with pastor was a racing incident, look how early he turned in,just compare that to all the other cars.
these guys need to realise when to give it up, just like lewis did faily when schu got up the inside on lap 1.

oh and vettel fluked this one.

What are you talking about? I saw parts falling off Massa's car

[beelsebob]

Another one for Lewis' collection...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91858

From now on, if you want someone to get a penalty, just invite for an overtake and turn onto them.

How cute.

Christ, that's nuts. We'll see drivers deliberately turning in to take people out now.

[raymondu999]

While that's the general consensus; if you actually looked; at some tracks; there are corners where all drivers brake+turn in. For example, Turkey T1, Abu DHabi T5 and T1

[HampusA]

HampusA, here mate, Martin Brundle will explain to you what you're complaining that Mark did (skip to 4m50).
It's an age-old racing tactic that is completely accepted & utilised in virtually every race.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sxg39qP ... be&t=4m50s[/youtube]

Webber hung Kobayashi out to dry, and forced him to miss the chicane. A completely legal maneuver.


If you can't accept this, i'm sorry. I have nothing more to add to this fruitless discussion.

This is simply not true. I know how overtaking works or what you can do. Hamilton was pretty good at it but what Webber did was not the same.

Why? Well he missed hís braking spot completely and almost ran out of road himself.
There is a big difference of forcing your opponent out of a corner then missing your braking spot and almost cause a carnage into a corner.
What Hamilton likes to do is force the opponent out of the corner. not miss his braking spot and force him to not even take the corner or stay on track.
Can´t believe people can´t see the difference between a good overtake and a very bad one.

If there would have been a concrete wall there your logics would all of a sudden change.
You can´t do what he did, i´m sure it wasn´t on purpose it just showed what a bad overtaker he really is.

[Formula None]

Hamilton should understand the importance of good qualifying at Monaco by now. If you qualify low, you will have to make many difficult passes to advance. You can't complain about this, it's the nature of the track. He should also know it is possible to do such overtaking without penalties. Alonso went from 24th to 6th at Monaco last year without colliding with anyone, for example.

[lgmars]

Vettel was beaten on track by Button. Even before his slow stop Button had closed the gap on his outlap to 19.9 seconds and took further time out of him on the next lap. The first safety car of the weekend eliminated his closest competitor from having a shot at all in the race, the second gave him track position back over Button, the third gave him a free pit stop just when his tyres were scheduled to disintegrate. Yes he drove a clean race with reasonable pace, but Vettel was incredibly lucky to win that race. Whilst we'll never know, had any one of those safety cars not happened then it would have been unlikely that he would have won.

Vettel pit just after Button, which is lap 16 vs. 15. Vettel lost 3.256s over Button in the pit. In lap 17, Vettel was just 4.139s behind Button which was after a full lap of working super soft vs. new soft, maybe 1.5s? I think it's reasonable to say that at the start of lap 16, when Vettel was exiting pit, he would have been 0.5s ahead of Button if RBR's crew had just kept up with McLaren's time.