Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[GrubSchumi]

No other team has this problem last year and this year only Mercedes. This is very likely a design issue.

to be true also F2012 this year seems to suffer some tyre degradation
(though less than merc)

Ferrari do suffer indeed everyone does but it seems workable within the range that Pirelli wanted but Mercedes is well outside that range making them uncompetitive. The Car is doubtless fast but the tyres degrading so fast means they have far less grip than rivals on similarly aged tyres.


What is concerning is Mercedes said they understood the problems from Australia yet the same has happened in Malaysia.

[yener]

The MGP is only good for qualy. In terms of race pace the car just sucks.
I just cant believe they created a car which is destroying the tyres again.
I must admit it was kind a lotery today but cmon, what are the people at MGP doing?

Its just the same like every year. Build a car which is fast over 1 lap and a really bad race pace.

Biggest improvement since last year is that they improved in qualy. Thats it, nothing more and nothing less.

[snoop1050]

A thing that I dont understand.

- We all agree that AMG has a better car than Ferrari. (at least ATM)
- We also agree that MSC or ROS are good drivers.
- ROSS is a olf fox with a lot of experience.
- AMG has a lot of Good People.

Ok, so How they manage to have that kind of performane, I mean Ferrari with a lot Less, I think ALO is the only good thing, manage to Win the race?--

I hope I had dropped some moeny to them on BWIN.

sauber and ferrari had downforce all we have is straightline speed.

sector 2 times were far worse than even the mid field teams

[Lycoming]

If that is indeed true, it would hint that lack of aero grip is the reason they have such bad tyre wear, and the high top speed masks the problem by enabling them to qualify well.

If it is the case that they lack downforce to that degree, turning it around is possible but difficult. I suspect it conflicts with the car's design philosophy, but I wonder how much of it is due to setup...

[skgoa]

No other team has this problem last year and this year only Mercedes. This is very likely a design issue.

to be true also F2012 this year seems to suffer some tyre degradation
(though less than merc)

You might want to watch the australian GP again. In the dry, Ferrari have slightly worse tyre deg than Mercedes.

[GrubSchumi]

No other team has this problem last year and this year only Mercedes. This is very likely a design issue.

to be true also F2012 this year seems to suffer some tyre degradation
(though less than merc)

You might want to watch the australian GP again. In the dry, Ferrari have slightly worse tyre deg than Mercedes.

Alonso Rosberg
1 1:44.733 (SU)[8] 1:42.666 (SU )[4] +2.067 +2.067 1
2 1:35.866 [6] 1:36.234 [5] -0.368 +1.699 1
3 1:34.081 [6] 1:34.825 [5] -0.744 +0.955 2
4 1:34.186 [6] 1:34.497 [5] -0.311 +0.644 3
5 1:34.220 [6] 1:34.330 [5] -0.110 +0.534 4
6 1:35.651 [6] 1:35.829 [5] -0.178 +0.356 5
7 1:34.207 [6] 1:34.218 [5] -0.011 +0.345 6
8 1:34.465 [6] 1:33.980 [5] +0.485 +0.830 2
9 1:33.893 [6] 1:34.014 [5] -0.121 +0.709 7
10 1:33.897 [6] 1:33.981 [5] -0.084 +0.625 8
11 1:35.440 [5] 1:35.604 [4] -0.164 +0.461 9
12 1:34.535 [4] 1:53.413 PIT[12] -18.878 -18.417 10
13 1:50.958 PIT[8] 1:40.088 (SU)[10] +10.870 -7.547 3
14 1:39.472 (MN)[9] 1:33.330 [10] +6.142 -1.405 4
15 1:33.093 [8] 1:33.454 [9] -0.361 -1.766 11
16 1:32.867 [7] 1:32.931 [8] -0.064 -1.830 12
17 1:33.978 [7] 1:33.139 [8] +0.839 -0.991 5
18 1:34.326 [7] 1:33.873 [8] +0.453 -0.538 6
19 1:33.586 [5] 1:35.220 [6] -1.634 -2.172 13
20 1:33.147 [5] 1:32.954 [6] +0.193 -1.979 7
21 1:33.535 [5] 1:33.064 [6] +0.471 -1.508 8
22 1:34.916 [5] 1:33.941 [6] +0.975 -0.533 9
23 1:33.169 [4] 1:34.361 [5] -1.192 -1.725 14
24 1:32.670 [4] 1:33.151 [5] -0.481 -2.206 15
25 1:32.662 [4] 1:32.811 [5] -0.149 -2.355 16
26 1:32.895 [4] 1:32.850 [5] +0.045 -2.310 10
27 1:33.152 [4] 1:33.462 [5] -0.310 -2.620 17
28 1:32.680 [4] 1:33.237 [5] -0.557 -3.177 18
29 1:32.535 [4] 1:33.858 [5] -1.323 -4.500 19
30 1:32.506 [4] 1:34.067 [5] -1.561 -6.061 20
31 1:33.130 [4] 1:53.519 PIT[10] -20.389 -26.450 21
32 1:32.817 [4] 1:40.686 (MN)[11] -7.869 -34.319 22
33 1:32.683 [4] 1:31.466 [10] +1.217 -33.102 11
34 1:51.326 PIT[7] 1:31.734 [10] +19.592 -13.510 12
35 1:38.399 (MN)[8] 1:31.924 [10] +6.475 -7.035 13
36 1:31.855 [7] 1:31.190 [9] +0.665 -6.370 14
37 1:52.525 [6] 1:54.355 [9] -1.830 -8.200 23
38 2:18.746 [5] 2:13.473 [8] +5.273 -2.927 15
39 2:21.499 [5] 2:20.768 [8] +0.731 -2.196 16
40 2:40.468 [5] 2:40.873 [8] -0.405 -2.601 24
41 2:18.652 [5] 2:17.246 [8] +1.406 -1.195 17
42 1:34.114 [5] 1:34.799 [8] -0.685 -1.880 25
43 1:32.071 [5] 1:32.260 [8] -0.189 -2.069 26
44 1:30.978 [5] 1:31.734 [8] -0.756 -2.825 27
45 1:31.438 [5] 1:31.095 [8] +0.343 -2.482 18
46 1:30.332 [5] 1:31.241 [8] -0.909 -3.391 28
47 1:30.632 [5] 1:30.937 [8] -0.305 -3.696 29
48 1:30.860 [5] 1:31.722 [8] -0.862 -4.558 30
49 1:31.317 [5] 1:31.726 [8] -0.409 -4.967 31
50 1:31.140 [5] 1:31.336 [8] -0.196 -5.163 32
51 1:30.506 [5] 1:31.470 [8] -0.964 -6.127 33
52 1:30.277 [5] 1:33.199 [8] -2.922 -9.049 34
53 1:30.593 [5] 1:30.931 [8] -0.338 -9.387 35
54 1:30.675 [5] 1:31.430 [8] -0.755 -10.142 36
55 1:30.894 [5] 1:31.007 [8] -0.113 -10.255 37
56 1:31.025 [5] 1:31.380 [8] -0.355 -10.610 38
57 1:31.019 [5] 1:32.508 [8] -1.489 -12.099 39
58 1:33.838 [5] 1:57.816 [12] -23.978 -36.077 40

Fraid not! Lap time comparison between the two in Australia. Yes it also depends on traffic and following another car but the first stint is telling since they were wearing the same tyres.

[spadeflush]

It is more of a problem of lack of downforce than tyre wear. If they can find some rear downforce the tyre degradation can be handled.

[Mr.S]

The car is not good in terms of race pace. Mclaren,Lotus,Williams,Sauber are definitely quicker in terms of race pace. Ferrari are probably there about or maybe at best slightly quicker,but not much in the dry. Its only in the intermediates Mercedes really suffered.

THE F-duct is a genius of an invention & masking everything. Without it Mercedes will be with Toro Rosso & Force India or maybe slightly better. It is giving IMO atleast 6-7 tenths in qualy. The car is nowhere near a Mclaren or a Lotus though. The gap is atleast 1 Full Second which is a shame & which is very near what it was last year.

Williams have taken such a huge step forward. Ross Brawn has been out-smarted again. He has come with a dud Exhaust. The car does not enough downforce but Traction & Mechanical Grip are even worse. S3 is 1 Straight & 1/2 & despite Mercedes having the highest straightline speed in Qualy & RBR among the worst,Webber still has 1-2 tenths over Michael which shows how bad the car is mechanically too.

I am tired of this non-sense. There has already been rumours that Mercedes might pull out or explore legal options keeping the concorde in mind. At this point 3rd place is a long way away. If Mercedes cant get atleast 3rd this year then I dont see Mercedes board wasting their money in a legal battle.


I see Mercedes selling their team if they cant get atleast 3rd. I hate to say this but its time over for Brawn & Haug. They have got enough chances. Its time for them to step aside. Brawn's sell-by date is over.

The last thing I want a Team Principal to say is that there will almost no updates till Mugello when there is a frantic Developmental race. Ferrari are better than Mercedes & they are bringing big upgrades with rumours of a new chasis by China/Bahrain & Mercedes can bring a Proper Exhaust Solution.

[ArchAngel]

Gotta admire Schumacher's public demeanor these past two races. Only a solitary point (and one gifted by Maldonado's DNF at that) to show for, yet still diplomatic & upbeat as always, praising all the engineers & mechanics for their hard work and encouraging them further, and continuing to put on a brave face despite a season start that had all but lost its early promises & optimism. Everyone in the team & those back in Brackley must be gutted at letting their drivers & fans down again.

[Mr.S]

Ohh & Charlie said there could be a re-think about the W-duct system. If it gets banned then Mercedes will struggle to get any points this season. Remember last season's Toro Rosso or Sauber,that will be the best Mercedes can hope for then.

[Gerhardsa]

Gotta admire Schumacher's public demeanor these past two races. Only a solitary point (and one gifted by Maldonado's DNF at that) to show for, yet still diplomatic & upbeat as always, praising all the engineers & mechanics for their hard work and encouraging them further, and continuing to put on a brave face despite a season start that had all but lost its early promises & optimism. Everyone in the team & those back in Brackley must be gutted at letting their drivers & fans down again.

Schu is a very good (old dog) at keeping up a brave face infront of the press. If i had that type of luck, i would have lost my cool big time.
He's had rotten luck in the last two races, but calm as ever.
He cant not have been peeved off when he got clipped in turn 4, by "the guy that cant seem to get past lap 4 in a GP" Grojean.
Funny how Grojean also then goes on to say that MSC drove into him... ...idiot

[aduka11]

Damn Mercedes are doomed....

I just cant figure out how one Sauber or Lotus (with Bullier) can make better car than Mercedes.

[aduka11]

and again Rosberg finish ahead Michael ... so stupid grosjean!!! Look Alonso !! LoOOoOL Michael can win this!

Uhmm

Is this guy high?

[Med4224]

and again Rosberg finish ahead Michael ... so stupid grosjean!!! Look Alonso !! LoOOoOL Michael can win this!

Uhmm

Is this guy high?

no, that was still when michael was 15 and rosberg 4th

[Ferraripilot]

The car is not good in terms of race pace. Mclaren,Lotus,Williams,Sauber are definitely quicker in terms of race pace. Ferrari are probably there about or maybe at best slightly quicker,but not much in the dry. Its only in the intermediates Mercedes really suffered.

THE F-duct is a genius of an invention & masking everything. Without it Mercedes will be with Toro Rosso & Force India or maybe slightly better. It is giving IMO atleast 6-7 tenths in qualy. The car is nowhere near a Mclaren or a Lotus though. The gap is atleast 1 Full Second which is a shame & which is very near what it was last year.

Williams have taken such a huge step forward. Ross Brawn has been out-smarted again. He has come with a dud Exhaust. The car does not enough downforce but Traction & Mechanical Grip are even worse. S3 is 1 Straight & 1/2 & despite Mercedes having the highest straightline speed in Qualy & RBR among the worst,Webber still has 1-2 tenths over Michael which shows how bad the car is mechanically too.

I am tired of this non-sense. There has already been rumours that Mercedes might pull out or explore legal options keeping the concorde in mind. At this point 3rd place is a long way away. If Mercedes cant get atleast 3rd this year then I dont see Mercedes board wasting their money in a legal battle.


I see Mercedes selling their team if they cant get atleast 3rd. I hate to say this but its time over for Brawn & Haug. They have got enough chances. Its time for them to step aside. Brawn's sell-by date is over.

The last thing I want a Team Principal to say is that there will almost no updates till Mugello when there is a frantic Developmental race. Ferrari are better than Mercedes & they are bringing big upgrades with rumours of a new chasis by China/Bahrain & Mercedes can bring a Proper Exhaust Solution.

After two races? Really? The sky is falling crowd is out a bit early.

Rewind to Barcelona a bit. The car performed very well on long stints. They get to Australia with different weather conditions and they miscalculated how to properly heat the tires. A mistake yes, but no reason to go crazy. Malayasia comes along and the car is brilliant on long stints, short stints, everywhere, and then it rains during the race and the car behaves very differently on the tires. They knew little about the tire issue going into Malaysia and the weather certainly didn't help what I am sure was partially conjecture in setting the car up for a possible wet weather race.

Point is, save your judgment until the team can clearly say they absolutely yielded the maximum out of the car and everything performed as it should have. Thus far, they have not had that! Only in qualifying have things gone well, and the car has proven it is very capable, fast, and has great downforce. The car is also a fantastic leap in build quality from W02 and F2012 for that matter. And lastly their DRS system yields maybe .200-.300 above others at most circuits so there is no possible way half a second is in that. Half a second is DDD or EBD level all-dominating innovations, and this is definitely not that even in qualifying.

The exhaust solution of Mclaren and Red Bull is questionable at best as Red Bull are still mucking about with testing different configurations of the system. If Mercedes were to move to a system such as that then their learning curve with the technology would be on the back foot compared to the others, and we just don't know which system is best. The Lotus certainly goes well without it and their system is very similar to Mercedes'.