Bose Suspension

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Tim.Wright
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Greg Locock wrote:it is not easy at all (but not impossible) to work out what the actuator lengths have to be to achieve a given platform position and rotation in 3d.
I will try this myself this weekend, but my impression is that it is not too difficult, almost trivial;

1. Start with a ground base reference system and a platform based system. The platform is at a known position and orientation wrt the ground system.
2. Knowing the platform geometry, you can express the actuator joints on the platform in the platform reference system (easy)
3. Using the ground to platform transformation (1) and the platform to actuator joints transform (2), you can express the actuator join locations in the ground based system
4. Knowing the location of the actuator joins on the ground, you can also express these in the ground reference system.
5. The delta between the points in (3) and (4) are then your actuator lengths.

Am I missing something?
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Greg Locock
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I think I got it the wrong way round- https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct= ... WT7CxjILwQ

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Tim.Wright wrote:Am I missing something?
Probably not, but I wouldn't call it trivial. This might help, see equation 2.18.

It is not linear-in-parameter, I believe, & an iterative solution would very probably be efficient (that is what I concluded, anyway).

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olefud wrote:
Tommy Cookers wrote:the electric or electromechanical actuator must have springing in parallel for it to control the dynamic response
so it will need to be rather capable in both force capacity and bandwidth
and can beyond its nominal bandwidth be allowed some managed 'free' backdriving ie on severe/high frequency bumps
in any parallel system there will be force differences ie some conflict (in this case between the actuator and the springs)
this happens in conventional suspension (that's what dampers do), and in the F1 Active
there's no easy way out, strut compliance must be manageable by the millisecond, this demands both power and bandwidth
a low-power electromechanical system will give mostly uncontrolled Newtonian damping
The voice coil has inherent, rate-progressive damping in that movement of the coil in the magnet gap generates current in the coil. Of course, as with hydraulic dampers, the energy would have to be sunk somewhere, perhaps as rectified current to a battery.
from experience I can say that any motor or actuator with a permanent field will resist backdriving from an external load
that resistance will small if the motor is in open circuit, much larger otherwise and so can easily be continuously varied
if the system ideally manages the resistance we have achieved what conventionally could be called ideal damping ?
but backdriving eg compression can be faster by open circuiting than the system being energised to drive itself in compression

uniquely servo motors/actuators have electromagnetic time constants much lower than even their electromechanical time constants
giving systems with eg a phase response eg suitable for retaining stability at very high forward path gain
necessary to be in the same capability ballpark as servo hydraulics
for various reasons other motors/actuators have larger armature inductance etc and high electromagnetic time constants
and so will be relatively poor at doing the job of their servo equivalents

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SiLo wrote:http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/aut ... /index.jsp


Something that could make it's way to F1 maybe? The video of the car that I watched on youtube is amazing. Totally stiff when needed, completely soft when needed and completely independent of each corner when needed. It's pretty impressive to be honest, it keeps the car level almost all the time.
Active suspensions are banned.
Maybe in the future they will allow manually operated active suspensions i.e. where the driver pushes a button to raise the nose a predetermined level to counteract dive, another button to incline the car to prevent lean, etc.

TV fans would go crazy watching onboard cameras digital diagrams of suspension position in additon to the current speed, gear and G-force displays.

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g-force_addict wrote:TV fans would go crazy watching onboard cameras digital diagrams of suspension position in additon to the current speed, gear and G-force displays.
Bernie? Is that you?
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