A crisis meeting in the cards?

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If there is need for a "crisis meeting" the cause is here (from Autosport):
the sport's [F1} television audiences plunging 10 per cent
There is real reason for concern about this point.
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CHT wrote:GP2 might actually benefit from the new F1 regulation. :)
Jenson Button has warned that GP2 cars might rival Formula One lap times at some circuits until development of the new-generation F1 cars steps up a gear.

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/144425.html
Leaving sensationalistic title-content discrepancy aside - they will also be slower when one is not moving. Which circuits and what close means, qualifying or another apples to oranges comparison to fake (as opposed to make) a point? Another one with similar theme: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112403 Clearly a crisis, drivers have spoken!

Another fake direction of noise after safety concerns about noses apparently ended (these are rumoured to be fine until 2015). I wonder how they will try to make cars faster (which rules) and when since it's "suddenly" such a big problem. Like there were no numbers before and they weren't driving simulators for a long time. I don't even want to go into driving at fraction of engine power and basic aero in tests aspect.

Ecclestone's reactions are more interesting - he's clearly panicking, firstly overreacting after tests, then audience drop "because of Vettel" and now double points because of Ferrari. Not his fault but his idea - one single person mostly responsible for the shape of F1 is acting like it's not his doing. I forgot that he only should be thanked for good bits but I can't figure out which bits are good.

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Alonso is comparing 2014 season to the thrills in karting, Massa say car is difficult to drive so it doesnt feel slow from inside.
Cant wait for opening race in Australia. Lets just hope the V8 Supercar doesnt drown the sound of the F1.

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Lauda responding to Bernie comment on the V6 era. Does it mean his is in agreement with Bernie?
“I don’t understand what Bernie said,” Lauda said. “The decision to go with the new engines was taken jointly, by everybody, five years ago. To criticize now makes no sense.”
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140203/f1/140209976

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CHT wrote:Lauda responding to Bernie comment on the V6 era. Does it mean his is in agreement with Bernie?
I do recall Bernie's public doubts about the new engine formula from the beginning.
“I'm anti-, anti-, anti-, anti-moving to the small turbo formula,”
The rest you may read in the link below of what he had to say publicly 3 years ago and I know that he is not the type of person who takes u-turns on important subjects.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110319/f1/110329997

For Niki to allege Bernie's support for 2014 new engine rules is to put it lightly "not very nice".

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321apex wrote: he is not the type of person who takes u-turns on important subjects.
My usual response to Benie is to believe his desired end goal is the opposite of what he first says.

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To be in the pinnacle of motorsports you should always be the champion and leader of new technology, performance and speed. The way I look at F1 today, its a series that is now neither here nor there. In terms of fuel efficiency and being green, F1 is still far from what Le Mans. In terms of WOW factors, F1 today has definitely lost its MOJO.

And the worst part is that, to achieve less, they are spending more.

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Maybe the question is "What do we want from F1"

Do we want equal cars with the best drivers in the world on a level playing field, which has a huge appeal, or do we want to take the reins off the teams, tell them the car has to be "this weight and above, pass these crash tests" and let them go for it. Whoever can build the best car wins and just say goodbye to the teams that can't keep up financially.

Right now F1 is trying to straddle the fence.

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Writinglife wrote:Maybe the question is "What do we want from F1"

Do we want equal cars with the best drivers in the world on a level playing field, which has a huge appeal, or do we want to take the reins off the teams, tell them the car has to be "this weight and above, pass these crash tests" and let them go for it. Whoever can build the best car wins and just say goodbye to the teams that can't keep up financially.

Right now F1 is trying to straddle the fence.
There is a reason why F1 is still considered the pinnacle of motorsport. Although the regulations are getting tighter this is still an open development series. There is a ton of spec series out there and if level playing field is what the people want then how come not any one of those are more popular than F1??

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Holm86 wrote:
Writinglife wrote:Maybe the question is "What do we want from F1"

Do we want equal cars with the best drivers in the world on a level playing field, which has a huge appeal, or do we want to take the reins off the teams, tell them the car has to be "this weight and above, pass these crash tests" and let them go for it. Whoever can build the best car wins and just say goodbye to the teams that can't keep up financially.

Right now F1 is trying to straddle the fence.
There is a reason why F1 is still considered the pinnacle of motorsport. Although the regulations are getting tighter this is still an open development series. There is a ton of spec series out there and if level playing field is what the people want then how come not any one of those are more popular than F1??
"an open development series"? Did you forget to put in a smiley face? No offense meant, but would you please explain?
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Holm86 wrote: There is a reason why F1 is still considered the pinnacle of motorsport. Although the regulations are getting tighter this is still an open development series.
It's considered the pinnacle of motorsport because they are the fastest circuit racing cars available. And maybe because the drivers collect the highest salaries (well... a few of them, anywayy). That's all. I hesitate to call it an open development series because while it is true in the strictest sense of the word... they're so restricted in terms of what they can do, it take a lot of the fun out from a technical perspective. We're down to agonizing over very minute details.
Holm86 wrote:There is a ton of spec series out there and if level playing field is what the people want then how come not any one of those are more popular than F1??
Nascar/indycar aren't true contenders since they basically don't stray outside the continental US unlike the F1 circus, but they are still very popular. Not all spec series are as unwatched as GP3 or formula renault.

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This might be great for fans who need to talk on the phone while watching F1.
Lowdon said Jerez testing proved F1 had lost some of its volume.
"It's certainly quieter because you could make a phone call during the test at Jerez," he said. "I've never done that before, so it's certainly different."

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Just wondering what will happen if Renault powered cars are going to turn up at Melbourne knowing they are not going to complete the race? Will they all choose to retired after the formation lap?

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Will they all choose to retired after the formation lap?
If so, they should let Tony George wave the checkered flag! :twisted:
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CHT wrote:Just wondering what will happen if Renault powered cars are going to turn up at Melbourne knowing they are not going to complete the race? Will they all choose to retired after the formation lap?
If they know that they definitely cannot complete a race distance then that would be the optimum strategy otherwise they risk blowing an engine and suffering grid penalties later in the year even if they fix the underlying issue. More likely they'd have to dial everything back or run an ICE with ERS disconnected and just pootle round hoping to collect points when other cars ahead of them break down.