Yes.Tp wrote:Was the incident actually shown on TV?
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If what you say was true and if there was braking of rules than FIA stewards would punish Alonso without awaiting Massa to protest. According to your claim, if Massa didn’t protest than FIA wouldn’t have punished Alonso and that is not what you’ve tried to explain and justify punishment with, right?boban-mk wrote:That move wasn't on purpose, but it was a blocking by FIA rulles and that it is.
Yes it was shown on tv and there was no incident and no moves by Alonso. Massa was too far behind for Alonso to let him past. Stewards are more experienced and informed than me, maybe I am wrong, but I think they would have to punish every other driver every session if this was an offence of the rules...Tp wrote:Was the incident actually shown on TV? Because I'm not sure how people can argue that the Stewards have made the wrong decision when they've seen it and we haven't.
Symonds furious with Alonso penalty
Formula One has become too 'politically correct' and the stewards are making inconsistent judgements, a furious Pat Symonds said this evening following the decision to penalise Fernando Alonso and demote him to 10th place on the grid.
The Spaniard had his three fastest laps of the final session in qualifying removed by the stewards, who said he had impeded Ferrari's Felipe Massa in the session today. As a result, Alonso has been demoted from fifth to 10th.
Yet Renault's director of engineering Symonds firmly believes Alonso did not impede the Brazilian, and in fact helped him gain time by getting a tow from the Renault car.
"I don't understand the penalty, because we don't feel we impeded him," Symonds said. "This is a circuit where we are always trying to get a tow - especially in qualifying. Massa was 100 metres behind Alonso, so he got a nice tow, and I don't see it as a hindrance.
"I looked at Ferrari's telemetry, and [Massa] gained time on the back straight and was quicker into Parabolica than before. He lifted in the middle of the corner. To me, it looked like a mistake but he claimed he was losing downforce."
But Symonds was particularly vocal about the influx of penalties handed out this season for blocking in qualifying, and warned that Formula One is stepping away from its core appeal as a racing series.
"It seems that we have forgotten what qualifying was like up until 2003, when half the field complained of traffic," the Briton said. "We seem to have forgotten what racing is about.
"We are so politically correct now, and I don't know what is coming next. Maybe indicators, to see whether drivers want to go left or right?"
He further criticised the stewards' inconsistency, claiming rivals Ferrari have been getting away unpunished with similar infringements.
"It's difficult to fight like this," he stated, "when you see Ferrari changing direction as many times as they wanted before the first corner in Turkey and nothing happens, and then we get penalised like this."
Symonds also stated that Alonso could well have won from fifth place tomorrow, but the penalty has vastly diminished their chances of victory, at such a crucial stage of the championship.
"We had a genuine winning strategy staring from fifth, and it will be a lot harder from 10th," Symonds said.
"Not only because it is so hard to overtake, but because we are in the middle of the pack and a lot happens there on the first lap."
No, you have to pass only cars that are lapping you during the race and to let faster cars overtake you during the qualifying if you're not trying to make time which is what Fernando was doing - trying to make good qualy. time.boban-mk wrote:You can fly, but if you are slower than the one behind and you are in out lap, you need to let him pass you.
and that's from the full decision on Autosport.A report was received from the race director that stated that the driver of car No. 1, Fernando Alonso, had impeded another driver during qualifying, namely Felipe Massa, car No. 6.
From formula1.comThe final grid positions will be published by the FIA on Sunday morning.
Alonso was not in his fast lap, so he didn't make a good qualy time. Alonso was far in front from massa at the beggining of a lap. But at the midle of lap, massa was behind Alonso.manchild wrote:to let faster cars overtake you during the qualifying if you're not trying to make time which is what Fernando was doing - trying to make good qualy. time.
And here's what the "The Official Formula 1 Website" says:FLC wrote:About Massa protesting:
and that's from the full decision on Autosport.A report was received from the race director that stated that the driver of car No. 1, Fernando Alonso, had impeded another driver during qualifying, namely Felipe Massa, car No. 6.
Massa complained to officials that Alonso had blocked him whilst on his final run at the end of session. The stewards agreed and deleted the Renault star’s three fastest times from Q3, though they did concede that Alonso’s actions may not have been deliberate.
http://blog.renaultf1.com/index.php?en/ ... -on#c18437Pat Symonds wrote:"It's difficult to fight like this," he stated, "when you see Ferrari changing direction as many times as they wanted before the first corner in Turkey and nothing happens, and then we get penalised like this."
manchild wrote:Schuey changed trajectory twice while he was defending his postion on start which is illegal by FIA sporting regulations and that is why Fisichella got in problems. I'm very pleased with today's result.
You're a sweetheartIgnis Fatuus wrote:Manchild, as you see I am still with you, but they are definitely trying to get me stop watching F1...
If he wasn't on his fast lap why did he made his best sector times on that lap?boban-mk wrote:Alonso was not in his fast lap, so he didn't make a good qualy time. Alonso was far in front from massa at the beggining of a lap. But at the midle of lap, massa was behind Alonso.
