Tracking of engine use - 2010

[ESPImperium]

As i posted in the Singapore thread:

Alonso and Massa took a new block at both Monza and Spa, meaning that they intend to use those two for the remainder of the races, probably use them for 2 races each, and have engine number 6 that was used for Saturday & Sunday sessions in Germany and Hungary as the one they will have for PF1 and FP2 with their first engine returning at Abu Dhabi as they changed that out in Parc Ferme there, and as per the rules, they can use that block for the last race. Ferarri have it fine for engine management going on my engine usage figures. No worries on that one.

Everyone but Webber, both Renaults and Heidfeld has one block remaining, the others appart from Heidfeld have 2 blocks remaining. Heidfeld now takes on De La Rosas allocation, on whitch id expect him to take a new block at Singapore so as not to make it as marginal, as De La Rosa blew 3 of his allocation and has used up 3 more of his allocations useable life, meaning he can really only use 3 blocks that all have marjinal life for the remaining 5 GPs. Id Expect Heidfeld to take a 10 place drop at Singapore, simply so he can have each of the 3 blocks he has left take 1 more GP and the 10th block to the other 2 GPs.

Webber has blown 2 engines, but with 2 new blocks has a massive advantage, and both Renaults have played it well with engines as well so those guys have a race where they can really turn the wick up and not really care. Id expect all 3 of those drivers to take a new block at Japan and Brazil just to maximise their milage. All the drivers with one fresh engine will probably take their fresh block at either Japan or Korea.

Thats my view on the way the engines will be managed for the remainder of the season. The Average driver is on his 7th block so far.

As for gearboxes, thats a effen mess, Senna has used 8, Hekki 7, and Trulli and Senna will be allowed to take a fresh one at Singapore as well. Glock is on his 8th and Di Grassi is on his 7th. The average driver is on his 5th transmission of the season so far.

Heidfeld will now take PdlRs engines and gearboxes for the remainder of the season.

I tried last year to get an exact number for distance on last years engines, but failed, this year i have simply got an average distance for each engine, whitch seems much more simple.

[Pup]

I'm not sure Ferrari will want to go back to engines 1 or 2 since they had a manufacturing/design defect. In fact, didn't Alonso blow engine 2? My guess is that those engines went directly into use for practice and won't be heard from again. Last year, no one reverted to an engine from earlier in the season. Most of the teams relegated their Bahrain engines to practice duty after the race anyway.

I think instead they'll stretch out engines 6, 7 & 8. One more race on #6, and two each for 7 & 8. Vettel pulled that off last year, getting three races out of his Spa and Monza engines, but it was a stretch. I wouldn't say that they're screwed, but they're on the edge of it.

[lebesset]

just had a look at the F1.com and vivaF1.com posts on the subject

neither gives me any clarification on the subject , perhaps the information that I think would be needed to accurately assess the position is just not available , or perhaps I am missing something here
I read about the number of blocks used ...does that mean the teams can swop the heads about?

[Pup]

I think espi is just using 'block' as shorthand. It's the whole engine, port to port.

As for the data - if you want more, it looks like you're going to have to do the research yourself.

[ESPImperium]

If you want data on what engine was used where, good luck, teams aint gonna publish that. Data too delicate.

Block is my shorthand method of saying Engine.

Pup, you may be onto something with Ferarri, Singapore for engine #6, with Japan and Brazil for #7 and Korea and Abu for #8 would be my guess, with #5 used for all FP1 and FP2 sessions, posibly #4 as well for a couple of events.

Im thinking that most drivers with a block outstanding may take it as late as Brazil, with #6 & #7 switching between races till then and #5 as FP engines for the guys in the title hunt at least as Brazil is the next, and arguably last power cuircit. Webber and the Renault guys have a total luxuary of two blocks remaining. That could just be the edge that Webber needs.

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/ergeb/

If you click on the races you get to an info box. For FP3, qualifying and race it shows the engine status with km running info.

[donskar]

<RANT>
IMHO, this thread just underlines the insanity of the engine rule. The pinnacle of motorsports?
Artificial rules mandating tire usage;
drivers running an economy run in the closing laps to conserve fuel; tired engines in the most important races of the year;
engine development banned.
Sad, IMHO.
</RANT>

[andrew]

Engine usage to date:
McLaren Mercedes
1 Jenson Button 7
2 Lewis Hamilton 7

Mercedes GP
3 Michael Schumacher 7
4 Nico Rosberg 7

RBR Renault
5 Sebastian Vettel 7
6 Mark Webber 6

Ferrari
7 Felipe Massa 8
8 Fernando Alonso 8

Williams Cosworth
9 Rubens Barrichello 6
10 Nico Hulkenberg 7

Renault
11 Robert Kubica 6
12 Vitaly Pertrov 6

Force India Mercedes
14 Adrian Sutil 7
15 Vitantonio Liuzzi 7

STR Ferrari
16 Sebastien Buemi 7
17 Jaime Alguersuari 7

Lotus Cosworth
18 Jarno Trulli 7
19 Heikki Kovalainen 7

HRT Cosworth
20 Sakon Yamamoto 7
21 Bruno Senna 7

BMW Sauber Ferrari
22 Nick Heidfeld (formerly Pedro de la Rosa’s car) 9
23 Kamui Kobayashi 7

Virgin Cosworth
24 Timo Glock 7
25 Lucas Di Grassi 7

Source: http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2010/9/11273.html

[feynman]

I'm pretty sure Webber put a new lump in last night, so that puts him on 7 too.

[ringo]

Even though 2 drivers have used, say, 7 engines, not all these 7 used engines are equal. for example Button and Hamilton completed less laps on some engines.
Their "used" engines could be as good as 95% of a brand new unit.
Rosberg for example could have 7 used with the ones he will reuse close to the end of their life cycle.

A few questions i have on the used engines.
What is allowed to be replaced on them? Rings, seals, gaskets..?
Or do they have be left untouched from their last use.

[Pup]

Massa will take his 9th for tomorrow, since he's at the end of the grid anyway.

[raymondu999]

I have a question for the rule-savvy of you here. We know that a "replacement" driver gets the predecessor's engines. Such as Badoer/Fisichella had Massa's engines for last season, and Heidfeld has dlRosa's now.

With Alonso's engine count just haunting him slightly, could they actually swap Felipe and Fernando? Meaning like Fernando take the Number 7 car and Felipe the Number 8? As I understand it, Fernando's not the one disadvantaged, but the Number 8 ferrari is the one.

Can anyone shed any light?

[x-ondrasek]

With Alonso's engine count just haunting him slightly, could they actually swap Felipe and Fernando?

I guess that the stewards wouldn't allow it, because they would know that the team is just making fun of the rules. That said, I know the rules a bit and I can't remember of any particular one that is explicitly banning this.
Maybe someone could argue, that there's the 19.1a) (in Sporting regs) which says "Any new driver may score points in the Championship." And a current driver is obviously not a new driver.

[ESPImperium]

With Alonso's engine count just haunting him slightly, could they actually swap Felipe and Fernando?

I guess that the stewards wouldn't allow it, because they would know that the team is just making fun of the rules. That said, I know the rules a bit and I can't remember of any particular one that is explicitly banning this.
Maybe someone could argue, that there's the 19.1a) (in Sporting regs) which says "Any new driver may score points in the Championship." And a current driver is obviously not a new driver.

If Ferarri decided to switch them they could, the precedent is at HRT with Yamamotto this year, he took Brunos blocks at Silverstone, then went to take over Karuns at Hockenheim.

However, Massa could be more disadvantaged after Suzuka. We dont know how long that engine went without oil or cooling.

Massa has used 9 engines, and i am thinking that theres a 10th on its way, with an average of 1,290.907km per engine, to Alonsos 8 with an average of 1,488.754km. If you normalise Massa to 8 blocks, his average distance is 1,452.271km, so in reality, i can see both Alonso and Massa being badly compromised.

Heres a breakdown on engine averages:
(All numbers in Kilometers) [Engines in theese brackets]

Robert Kubica = 1,648.544 [7]
Mark Webber = 1,615.684 [7]
Rubens Barrichello = 1,591.378 [7]
Vitaly Petrov = 1,533.787 [7]
Jaime Alguersuari = 1,528.437 [7]
Fernando Alonso = 1,488.754 [8]
Sebastian Vettel = 1,451.669 [8]
Michael Schumacher = 1,399.522 [8]
Jenson Button = 1,397.196 [8]
Nico Hulkenberg = 1,384.582 [8]
Nico Rosberg = 1,382.116 [8]
Sébastien Buemi = 1,362.346 [8]
Adrian Sutil/Paul di Resta = 1,325.674 [8]
Karun Chandhok/Sakon Yamamoto/Christian Klien = 1,316.798 [7]
Lewis Hamilton = 1,282.087 [8]
Vitantonio Liuzzi/Paul di Resta = 1,274.946 [8]
Heikki Kovalainen = 1,272.674 [8]
Bruno Senna/Sakon Yamamoto = 1,271.909 [7]
Kamui Kobayashi = 1,228.807 [8]
Pedro De La Rosa/Nick Heidfeld = 1,156.728 [9}
Jarno Trulli = 1,129.051 [8]
Lucas Di Grassi/Jerôme D'ambrosio = 1,089.438 [8]
Timo Glock = 1,077.642

The average for the feild is = 1,354.195 [8}

[WhiteBlue]

Those averages mean very little. The interesting figures are the engines with very low milage and milage with low power setting.