Tyres - Is it really more exciting?

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djos wrote:Not only do you have to manage your tires to make your strategy work but you have to try not to get caught behind others on different strategies and if you do, you need to overtake them to keep your strategy alive - it's brilliant!! 8)

Frankly this sort of things makes come back drives like Webber's (10th to 4th) possible that wouldn't have been last year!
Agreed. While I'm not a fan of Webber's myself, I do appreciate the quality of his fightback. It's been a while since we had a good, aggressive fightback like that
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raymondu999 wrote: Agreed. While I'm not a fan of Webber's myself, I do appreciate the quality of his fightback. It's been a while since we had a good, aggressive fightback like that
Yeah the last time I remember this sort of thing happening often'ish was back in the tire war days when every one ran super soft sticky tires and ran 2 or 3 stoppers for most races.
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Ok, maybe not that far back for me. There were some good races, but not since 2009 ended.
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[quote="Fil"]As to the huge great strips of rubber, the reality (from the AusGP) is this..quote]

From a tyre, a 40-50mm x 10mm strip IS huge.

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volarchico wrote:I'm not a fan of the fact that they don't even have enough sets of tires to run new rubber on race day. To me that's pretty ridiculous that they're handicapped in either qualifying or on the race. Why can't they have enough tires to run new for BOTH!? They have to choose when they want to drive slow. Why should they be so handicapped?
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Tomba wrote:
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ringo wrote:The overtakes are too easy as well, as what we get now is a much much slower car defending and inevitable overtake.
I think somebody forgot to tell Hamilton and Alonso about this feature because that was a rip snorter of a battle and far from easy.

It seems as if these tyres will behave differently at every venue and that will provide a nice variety of strategic complexities to the races, rather than the staid and predictable strategies of previous years.
Alonso's DRS was not functional as of lap 5 or something, so he went into that battle old school on same terms. The problem is here that one needs to realise such a battle would not have taken place with an active DRS. A pass would have been so simple that even I could do it.

I have said it before the season and I'm still convinced that KERS should not be a driver controlled system to make it simpler for drivers and fans. DRS should be limited to only a part of these huge straights and I believe the tyres alone would be enough to increase overtaking this year.
I totally agree with u. The goal of Kers is simply to make racing a little greener. I see no need for turning it into another video game thing. It needs to be seamlessly integrated with the power train. Full throttle and if you have some juice, you use it up.

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I like the integrated idea, maybe simply integrated into the powertrain and have no buttons to press to use it, just to make the engines more efficient. Then the DRS would only have a small effect, just the right amount, to give more passing, yet we wouldn't see ridiculous, drive straight round the outside passes that we saw in Malaysia. I think it was a Renault overtaking someone? I just remember him having finished the overtake so early that he pulled across onto the racing line to take the corner as normal.
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Fernando Alonso has called on Pirelli to try and tweak its tires to prevent the high levels of worn rubber, or "marbles," that were seen at last weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix.

Formula 1 drivers had voiced some concern about marbles during winter testing, but Pirelli was not sure if the problem then was caused by the lower temperatures in Europe at the time. However, with the marbles showing up again in Malaysia, the company is set to work on trying to improve the situation, something Alonso believes will be vital for forthcoming races.

"It was more difficult than Australia, for sure," said Alonso. "There is some concern for places like Canada, Singapore, Monaco, that you catch a lapped car, they let you past, you go inside, you take some marbles and then on the next corner you miss the braking point and you go straight.

"Malaysia was a very wide circuit, and you can come back to the track, but there will be some difficulties in some narrow tracks. We need to be careful and we need to get used to these new things as well."

Pirelli's Paul Hembery told AUTOSPORT in Malaysia that the marbles in Malaysia were not the same as those seen in winter testing.

"They are slightly different," he said. "We had strips in winter testing, big strips. These are actually smaller pieces that actually get picked up on the tires."

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adrianjordan wrote:
volarchico wrote:I'm not a fan of the fact that they don't even have enough sets of tires to run new rubber on race day. To me that's pretty ridiculous that they're handicapped in either qualifying or on the race. Why can't they have enough tires to run new for BOTH!? They have to choose when they want to drive slow. Why should they be so handicapped?
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That is a driver's job, to make the most of what he is given. Should a tire eating driver be rewarded? I think not ..

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BreezyRacer wrote: That is a driver's job, to make the most of what he is given. Should a tire eating driver be rewarded? I think not ..
The tire eating driver means that he pushes more, hes racing.Racers should be rewarded not tyre managing sissies IMHO.

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^^ That's what I was trying to say, but didn't put it quite so eloquently! Going as fast as possible in qualifying AND the race instead of having to choose where to drive slowly in order to conserve this or that (fuel, tires, engines, gearboxes, etc)...

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Poleman wrote:
BreezyRacer wrote: That is a driver's job, to make the most of what he is given. Should a tire eating driver be rewarded? I think not ..
The tire eating driver means that he pushes more, hes racing.Racers should be rewarded not tyre managing sissies IMHO.
Agreed. However it's just physics/chemistry that a tyre will degrade. It's just that it degrades to varying degrees, and strategy will always fall into play, especially with the relatively long "sprint" races of F1. I say relatively long as it's not nearly enough for an endurance race but when you compare it to the likes of GP2 etc the races are longer
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raymondu999 wrote:Agreed. However it's just physics/chemistry that a tyre will degrade. It's just that it degrades to varying degrees, and strategy will always fall into play, especially with the relatively long "sprint" races of F1. I say relatively long as it's not nearly enough for an endurance race but when you compare it to the likes of GP2 etc the races are longer
So do you think there is a solution to achieve what Poleman and I are talking about: a race where the drivers are actually trying to go as fast as possible the whole time?

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Well you could go for tyres that would last longer than the Bridgestones of 2010 did. And no tyre stops allowed, I guess?
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I really do not agree .I think pushing is qquite different to abusing the tyres and I feel a driver who understands the difference between these should be allowed to take advantage of it.I really hate those tyre lockers and signs of overdriving .I´m always amazed how easy these pro´s get disturbed enough to not be able to turn in at the correct speed and run wide in consequence..or are unable to place their car on the blacktop before cranking on lock (Maldonado pit entry :-)...looking left and not realising your outside wheels are halfway on the grass... )