Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

JET,I rerally have not seen the evidence of your judgement on Michaels side.I believe as soon as Schu has a clean race and does experience the same fate as Rosberg .
What i have seen yet:Schu is stronger in qualy and rosberg has difficulties to keep up in the race when schumacher has either mechanical issues or gets nudged by competitors.

[Thef1one]

Hi all
I'm new to this forum , and I'm not really going to say much apart from the Mercedes tire issue isn't really an issue to be honest as for some people saying about not having upgrades for the merc we will have to see ! The car is quick ! It's not working the rubber in the right way at the mo that's it no more no less. There will be wins in w03 A little more understanding from the guys and it will be sorted

[Ferraripilot]

JET, I remain unconvinced of the RB, Mcl, Sauber exhaust. The Lotus is a quick car and it does not use that exhaust strategy. The benefit from the light diffuser blowing is at an academic level compared to Mercedes who are in essence not trying to enlarge the diffuser, but trying to simply make it operate more efficiently all the while yielding greater benefit from laminar flow around the sidepods. The car is a very quick car in mechanical sectors (just look at Malaysia S1) meaning the low speed traction advantage in blowing the diffuser is a non issue wth W03. We will see, but I would not be surprised if we saw other teams copying the the MB format.

[marcush.]

Exhaust -I think a loophole that is closed is not a loophole anymore and you might get lost optimising a fishing net by concentrating on one of 1000 knots in it when all are providing the same sort of mesh.
Maybe there is still something to find but i doubt it is money /recources well spent.
On a second note ,Sauber has a very interesting car that got speed and we have to acknowledge that all the cars cometing at the front have spent considerable effort into their sidepod /exhaust /diffussser interaction and came to rather similar layouts.

[Ganxxta]

JET, I remain unconvinced of the RB, Mcl, Sauber exhaust. The Lotus is a quick car and it does not use that exhaust strategy. The benefit from the light diffuser blowing is at an academic level compared to Mercedes who are in essence not trying to enlarge the diffuser, but trying to simply make it operate more efficiently all the while yielding greater benefit from laminar flow around the sidepods. The car is a very quick car in mechanical sectors (just look at Malaysia S1) meaning the low speed traction advantage in blowing the diffuser is a non issue wth W03. We will see, but I would not be surprised if we saw other teams copying the the MB format.

I don't think that the car has good mechanical grip, S1 in Malaysia isn't mechanical at all.


Only corners 1+2 need some mechanical grip, everything else is "straight" and drs open.
They open the DRS before the start/finish line and again right after the second corner (slightly after "2" in the pic).

Sector 2 is in my opinion the mechanical one.

[Dragonfly]

It was visible on the LT since Friday that they lose a lot of time in S2 and compensate on S1 and 3.

[raymondu999]

Only corners 1+2 need some mechanical grip, everything else is "straight" and drs open.
They open the DRS before the start/finish line and again right after the second corner (slightly after "2" in the pic).

Sector 2 is in my opinion the mechanical one.

Nothing mechanical about Sector 2. If ever there was an aero dominated sector that is it; other than Suzuka Sector 1. There's no part of this track which really tests the car mechanically.

[Ferraripilot]

It was visible on the LT since Friday that they lose a lot of time in S2 and compensate on S1 and 3.

I believe at first they were quick in S2 by a couple tenths margin but slower in S1 and S3. I suspect they changed their setup.

In regards to their mechanical ability. S1 is pretty much the only real place in Malayasia where mechanical can really be looked at, and they are quick there. S2 has turns 4 and 9 which IMO are not as telling as turns 1, 2 as turn 4 is more of a medium speed aero turn.

[aduka11]

It was visible on the LT since Friday that they lose a lot of time in S2 and compensate on S1 and 3.

I believe at first they were quick in S2 by a couple tenths margin but slower in S1 and S3. I suspect they changed their setup.

In regards to their mechanical ability. S1 is pretty much the only real place in Malayasia where mechanical can really be looked at, and they are quick there. S2 has turns 4 and 9 which IMO are not as telling as turns 1, 2 as turn 4 is more of a medium speed aero turn.

But you have to take in mind if you are looking Mercedes qualification times in S1..that F-duct has quite some role there... because they enter S1 in higher speed than competition due to F-duct and get some advantage there due to F-duct.

[dzejk]

Guys anyone have some ideas why merc have such big problems, are possible some solutions? or this season will suck for them like was past two seasons???

[yener]

Why is it so hard to get the tyres working?
It's clear that the tyres have a lot of more graining since Pirelli is in the game but it shouldnt be that difficult to sort it out, does it?

What can you do to make you tyres work better? I mean what options do you have to make them work good?
Is it the Pressure? Is it the exhaust position? Is the way the air goes around the tyre?
What do they need to sort out? Why is this so hard?

More downforce is more usage of the tyres. So less downforce would mean the tyres last longer. But a car with less downforce will not be fast enough aint that right?

I keep thinking about the tyre problem. Maybe the car really has not enough grip in the corners which cause slightly "wheelspin" when exiting and that would cause overheat?

Maybe Michael and Rosberg are struggling with finding grip and thats the reason the tyres dont last long enough?

Can anybody please put more info? Cause i am really confused.

[yener]

I think its just all a lie.
The major problem is that the car doesnt have enough grip. When you try to be fast you always have slightly wheelspin. The car with the most grip will have less "spin" and teams with less grip will have more "spin".

The more wheelspin the more tyre usage and the more your tyres temp will be unstable.

I think its nothing more and nothing less.

The car has not enough grip at some corners which cause an early death for the tyres.

[dzejk]

I think its just all a lie.
The major problem is that the car doesnt have enough grip. When you try to be fast you always have slightly wheelspin. The car with the most grip will have less "spin" and teams with less grip will have more "spin".

The more wheelspin the more tyre usage and the more your tyres temp will be unstable.

I think its nothing more and nothing less.

The car has not enough grip at some corners which cause an early death for the tyres.

Their Q is amazing with using f-duct and DRS, but race pace sucks...
So nothing can be done? i realy expected some podium this year for schumacher

[yener]

Their Q is not amazing, it just performs better in Qualify thanks to the DRS Fduct thing.

The last race Hamilton was 0,2 seconds faster then MS. But Hamilton also made a big mistake in the last corner. There he lost at least 0,2s.

So the MGP is even in Quali halve a second of the pace.

[Dragonfly]

For what I know less DF and tyres slipping and spinning is far more garmful than properly loading them an extracting traction.
Also, tyre deformation contributes to generating heat into the whole volume, not only the outer layer. At least that was the case with Michelins and Bridgestones.
It seems now Pirelli have made tyres with programmed disintegration.