Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

[andrew]

The incident in your video is more black and white than the ding with Maldonado.

I would say it was Hamiltons corner as he was ahead going into the corner and Webber should have conceded.

But this is off topic.

[Shrieker]

Onboard footage, second video:-

http://www.f1arab.com/2011/05/29/hamilt ... e-penalty/

Also see Maldonado's double move I talked about.

Okay, Lewis' front wheel isn't exactly alongside Maldonado's rear, but right after both has started braking it's past Maldonado's rear and is alongside his side pod. In fact the first contact happens between the sidepod and the wheel.

Hamilton's entry to the corner is by no means a late lunge. He entered the corner in a controlled and stable manner but Maldonado decided it's better to pretend he wasn't there.

[myurr]

Also see Maldonado's double move I talked about.

WHERE?!

Do you mean on the straight? I think it was just Maldonado going over the bumps on the straight more than deliberately moving more that once/weaving.

He starts on the right of the track, moves to the left, then back to the centre, before turning in on Lewis.

And in reference to Webbers move in Singapore, do you remember Webber being penalised for that because I don't.

[andrew]

I'm in 2 minds about Maldonado on the straight. It doesn't seem like he is moving enough to weave and is more just the car riding the bumps and going round a long bend. On-board footage showing Maldonados wheel would clarify.

Re Singapore last year I would have given Webber a penalty, but inconsistency is not new with the race steward decisions.

[Shrieker]

Also see Maldonado's double move I talked about.

WHERE?!

Do you mean on the straight? I think it was just Maldonado going over the bumps on the straight more than deliberately moving more that once/weaving.

He starts on the right of the track, moves to the left, then back to the centre, before turning in on Lewis.

And in reference to Webbers move in Singapore, do you remember Webber being penalised for that because I don't.

+1 agreed. It's looks subtle, but Maldonado moves more than once.

Regarding Singapore and Webber not being penalised at the time. Proves there is no consistency in stewardship.

[i70q7m7ghw]

The thing with the move on the straight is that Lewis got punished at KL for a similar weave. Personally I feel this kind of move is fine, it's the dangerous weave that Lewis did the year before at KL that should be banned.

[wesley123]

This is ridiculous, the clash with Maldonado is in no way worth the 20 second penalty. First of all Maldonado switches line twice. Apart from that, Maldonado just turns into Hamilton, Hamilton had no where to go. The ironic part even is that when Hamilton moves lines more then once it is immediately noticed, but further it gets noticed on no one. It is really almost looking like they just pick Hamilton 'because he is black'. Anyway, penalties like these really take out the racing aspect, as a driver here I wouldnt even try to overtake, it is 90% sure you will get a penalty for it, ridiculous.

[vall]

This is ridiculous, the clash with Maldonado is in no way worth the 20 second penalty. First of all Maldonado switches line twice. Apart from that, Maldonado just turns into Hamilton, Hamilton had no where to go. The ironic part even is that when Hamilton moves lines more then once it is immediately noticed, but further it gets noticed on no one. It is really almost looking like they just pick Hamilton 'because he is black'. Anyway, penalties like these really take out the racing aspect, as a driver here I wouldnt even try to overtake, it is 90% sure you will get a penalty for it, ridiculous.

The guy expects any time he puts his nose at the rare wheel of the car ahead, the other guy to make way!!! I think he escaped lightly today: causing two collisions in one race surely deserves something like 10 grid position on the next race or so.

[Giblet]

[andrew]

Top marks to the guard justing standing there and not moving! =D>

[i70q7m7ghw]

Maybe it was a dummy? Amazing, best bit of the race!

[Giblet]

You can't really see it in the gif but you can see him trying to stifle a smile.

[DaveKillens]

I've seen this before in competitions. Someone makes a mistake, and in an effort to make up for it, they try too hard and make more mistakes, winding up in a negative cloud of compound problems. For poor Lewis, it was when Lady Luck struck and wiped out his risky Q3 strategy. And from then on, it never got better. It's a shame, Lewis is a very talented and exciting driver. But today, he had a bad one, and my personal opinion is that his balance between risk and reward got tilted, and he attempted things that just lowered his odds of finishing the race intact.

It's a shame, he had a bad race, time to learn from it, and move on.

Some question how valid Vettel's win was, but I ask just where did he do anything wrong? The truth is, he drove a perfect race, and deserves respectable recognition for it. He had to qualify on pole, he did, he had to lead the pack out of turn one, he did. He had to stay out front until the end of the race, and he did that.

Also worthy of honorable mention are Alonso, Button, and Kobayashi. Alonso and Button for driving a mature, calm race where they finished on the podium. Kobayashi for, well, wow, for bringing his Sauber home 5th, at Monaco. Monaco, wow, how cool.

It was an exciting and action-packed race, with it's share of drama and controversy. This isn't the first time Monaco has ended and the forums filled up with countless posts.

This weekend two drivers, in completely unrelated crashes were injured. And the harsh truth is that if you can hurt something, you can also kill something. Of course, it's a relief to all that both drivers appear able to gain full recovery shortly. But with the fact that drivers did get hurt, we need to constantly remind ourselves that safety still has a long way to go, and we should never become complacent with the present standard.

If anything, that's what we need to take away from this race.

[ESPImperium]

A classic race spoiled by circumstance and regulations. I can see a change coming in the fact that you can work on the car, but have to keep tyres on the car when a red flag is called, but only when in dry conditions. In this case i think we would have been given the end of the race we deserved.

This weekend has shown that Monaco is starting to look a bit dated again and needs a saftey overhaul again. i recon that there are 3 spots where it needs altered;

First; The run down to Mirabau from Casino Square. That damned bump and man hole need to be flattned out. The bump is the easy bit, the man hole isnt the easy bit, id recon that it would bethe easiest fix.

Second; The exit from the tunnel needs to be changed, modrenised, and a propper run off area added, and the only way i can see for this to be done propperly is that the solution that i posted earlier in the thread be done. However, that bump may be the only thing that needs sorting. However, i feel that the saftey aspect of the tech-pro barrier and where it is needs changed as it is blatently unsafe for me. Does it take a driver to die there for it to change.

Third; the entrance to the swimming pool and the middle of it, thats been 2 bad accedents there in the past 3 years. Rosberg in 2008 in the wet and now Petrov/Alguersauri this year in the dry. Also Kovalinenn has had crash there in 2009 as well. Not sure what can be done here, but am sure there can be something done to make it not only safer, but also better for the cars.

Monaco needs updated, as many other tracks now have been updated to get in either better saftey areas.Im sure that Charlie Whiting is looking at areas that the Monaco track needs to be updated already.

[beelsebob]

A classic race spoiled by circumstance and regulations. I can see a change coming in the fact that you can work on the car, but have to keep tyres on the car when a red flag is called, but only when in dry conditions. In this case i think we would have been given the end of the race we deserved.

This weekend has shown that Monaco is starting to look a bit dated again and needs a saftey overhaul again. i recon that there are 3 spots where it needs altered;

First; The run down to Mirabau from Casino Square. That damned bump and man hole need to be flattned out. The bump is the easy bit, the man hole isnt the easy bit, id recon that it would bethe easiest fix.

Second; The exit from the tunnel needs to be changed, modrenised, and a propper run off area added, and the only way i can see for this to be done propperly is that the solution that i posted earlier in the thread be done. However, that bump may be the only thing that needs sorting. However, i feel that the saftey aspect of the tech-pro barrier and where it is needs changed as it is blatently unsafe for me. Does it take a driver to die there for it to change.

Third; the entrance to the swimming pool and the middle of it, thats been 2 bad accedents there in the past 3 years. Rosberg in 2008 in the wet and now Petrov/Alguersauri this year in the dry. Also Kovalinenn has had crash there in 2009 as well. Not sure what can be done here, but am sure there can be something done to make it not only safer, but also better for the cars.

Monaco needs updated, as many other tracks now have been updated to get in either better saftey areas.Im sure that Charlie Whiting is looking at areas that the Monaco track needs to be updated already.

To be honest, this race did one thing for me – confirm that Monaco should not be on the calendar.

1. There's a major safety issue you pointed out
2. There's no racing – I think only 2 guys actually tried to go racing today, and both got over punchy and wrecked their own races (HAM and DIR I'm looking at you)
3. There's --- tons of money there...

Bugger, 3 really doesn't support me, does it.