Sebastian Vettel has won the Monaco GP for the first time in his career, ahead of Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button, both former World Champions and former winners. Red Bull were however lucky with a late safety car to make a risky one-stop strategy work.
DaveKillens wrote:I fail to comprehend one theory put forth by others that Maldonato deliberately turned in and caused a collision with Hamilton.
First off, let's set the scene. It's late in the race, and rookie Maldonato is in the position where he will finish in the points in the first time in his career. His drive at Williams is dependant on performance, and finishing respectably at Monaco would be a feather in his cap. Who knows, what happened today and his inability to score points just might be the tipping point in him continuing his career in Formula One.
Yet, as some theorize, he saw Hamilton, turned quickly into him, and of course, scored a DNF. Personally I even wonder if Maldonato was aware Hamilton was making such a passing attempt, but according to some, Maldonato did it deliberately.
Why? Just to take out Hamilton? Why?
Of course, assuming Maldonato deliberately turned into Hamilton, he deliberately destroyed his best finish in his rookie year in Formula One, and definitely harmed his Formula One career.
Somehow the numbers just don't add up, and it doesn't make sense.
And that's because there is no reason why he would have turned into Hamilton, and lots of valid reasons why he would have done everything possible to finish the race.
If someone can put forth a logical and reasonable reason for assuming Maldonato deliberately turned in early just to deny Hamilton success (at risk of his own F1 career), I really would like to see it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting there was any malice from Maldonado, he most likely misjudged the move, or simply didn't check his mirrors.
Jeezus, Hamilton apologists give it up already!!!!
Lewis put his car into a gap that was about to close and caused the accident with Maldonardo who was on the racing line and entitled to stay on it, lewis should have braked to avoid causing the accident - DC and Brundle saw it that way as did the Stewards, case closed
Dragonfly wrote:Yep. I wonder why this is not commented at all.
+1. Hamilton was never gonna make that turn.
Go watch again – he was absolutely on line for the apex right up until the moment maldonado turned into him. He was in the same position as he was against Schumacher, so clearly could make the turn like that.
Nah. The vid tells me differently.
As for Schu, it was a beautiful move from Ham but he was lucky that Schu chose to go wide and avoid a crash. If he had held his position like he had every right to, it would have been game over for both and entirely Ham's fault.
But we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess.
Hamilton is a brilliant driver, but yesterday he drove like a lunatic. It happens.
andrew wrote:Imola belongs on the GP calander but F1 is a business more than a sport. Which one will make more money? In an ideal world Imola, however this is not an ideal world.
yes, but it is not going to happen. As for Monaco, I would not replace it, not much overtaking but always exciting races. And it is unforgiving, the slightest mistake is heavily punished. You go a bit wide and oou hit the barrier. You screw up something, get stuck behind a slower car and you are done.
I would be truly disappointed if Monaco was taken off the F1 season
It's an amazing spectacle, watching drivers on the edge threading the car though the swimming pool section & up to casino square at amazing speeds is exhilarating !
yea monaco should stay, just inforce a 105% rule for that race and modify the chicane.
When was the last time it was so close between the top 3?
Would have been closer without the stupid rule of being able to put on fresh tires.
that ruined a very nice ending of a fantastic race.
the trio was damn lucky not to get caught up in the mayhem. Button was really close
In the video it's crystal clear Maldonado knows Lewis is hot on his heels. He moves from side to side on the straight to prevent Lewis from squeezing his nose in. Lewis has to back of a little but regroups to launch an attack into T1.
There are two possibilities for Maldonado. 1- He thought Lewis had backed off and didn't look in the mirror. 2- He was looking in the mirror but decided to bully Hamilton causing him to back of by turning in to the corner a tad early.
FAIL on his part.
After putting his front wheel past Maldonado's rear, Lewis has placed his trust in his fellow racer that he will compete in a fair manner. But Maldonado paid back by turning into him; probably because he miscalculated Lewis' position since it was going to be his first points finish ever.
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djos wrote:Jeezus, Hamilton apologists give it up already!!!!
Lewis put his car into a gap that was about to close and caused the accident
Care to explain why there wasn't a contact with Schumacher under almost exactly the same conditions ?
Yep, I thought so.
Schumacher was driving a car with massively reduced rear grip. He had a huge disadvantage under braking. He turned in and luckily realized Hamilton was in there (Ham was further beside him than Ham vs Maldonado) so he opened up steering to avoid the crash. Lewis stuck his nose in there as well, relying on Schumacher giving in.
beelsebob wrote:Right, but as we know, these tyres have a "cliff" where lap times suddenly get 5 seconds a lap slower. Vettel was nearing it.
I can only comment on what I saw on TV and what German commentary and Vettel after the race said: There was still a lot of rubber on the tires. The cliff comes when the contact patch is worn down to the safety layer between the carcasse and the rubber. Monaco has such a smooth surface, that tire wear is immensely less than at Barcelona e.g. I wonder how McLaren could claim the cliff would come in 3 laps.....Vettel said he was aware of the situation and didn't care if he had to fight of button and alonso for 25 or 35 laps, he was nursing his tires because he had track position
In the video it's crystal clear Maldonado knows Lewis is hot on his heels. He moves from side to side on the straight to prevent Lewis from squeezing his nose in. Lewis has to back of a little but regroups to launch an attack into T1.
There are two possibilities for Maldonado. 1- He thought Lewis had backed off and didn't look in the mirror. 2- He was looking in the mirror but decided to bully Hamilton causing him to back of by turning in to the corner a tad early.
FAIL on his part.
After putting his front wheel past Maldonado's rear, Lewis has placed his trust in his fellow racer that he will compete in a fair manner. But Maldonado paid back by turning into him; probably because he miscalculated Lewis' position since it was going to be his first points finish ever.
I wonder if Maldonado didn't close the door, he would crash at st Devote...
When Schumacher didn't close the door at Hamilton, he was near to crash his car because of the marbles...
Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:
I wonder if Maldonado didn't close the door, he would crash at st Devote...
When Schumacher didn't close the door at Hamilton, he was near to crash his car because of the marbles...
Are you saying Lewis had already caused the crash when he put his front wheel past Maldonado's rear, and that there was nothing Maldonado could've done to save himself ?
NO
WAY.
He made his decision by turning in early and retired. He could still have made the corner and kept his position and kept going.
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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:I think you have to re read my post. It's very clear, so i don't think you need to speculate about my post..
I have understood the content of your message fully, and replied accordingly. Schumacher was on badly worn tires and made the corner. And my point was Maldonado could've kept his position and kept going on much better tyres if he could defend properly rather than turning in early for whatever reason.
On another note, the end of the race was near so a lot morre marble could've accumulated off racing line. You have a point on that account.
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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:I think you have to re read my post. It's very clear, so i don't think you need to speculate about my post..
I have understood the content of your message fully, and replied accordingly. Schumacher was on badly worn tires and made the corner. And my point was Maldonado could've kept his position and kept going on much better tyres if he could defend properly rather than turning in early for whatever reason.
On another note, the end of the race was near so a lot morre marble could've accumulated off racing line. You have a point on that account.
Funny how people can talk for days about something that happened in a split second.
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I think people need to get some clarification about what alongside means. It does not mean if you can shove your front wheel near his back wheel at any point. It means alongside at or before the turn in point. Note this still lets you outbrake someone. Front wheel to front wheel or there about. I would say measuring front wheel to front wheel no more than 1/4 a car length behind is what is generally accepted as while not parallel you can still see them with peripheral vision.
His overtake on MSC he was alongside. This time he was not and could have just tapped the brakes and got back in line.
When you are heading into a corner you check your mirrors. You then look for your breaking marker. Then.. you get another look in your mirrors. I suppose in F1 the breaking zone is so short you dont get much of a second look if any. At your turn in point your eyes only focus on your apex and exit. You cannot be looking in your mirrors at the apex. It is a very alien thing to do.
If you are going to overtake someone at the last minute and without being alongside at turn in then it is the overtaking cars responsibility to avoid the accident.
It is only the driver being overtaken responsibility if you are alongside at or before turn in. At this point he needs to give you room.
Hamilton could and should have backed out of that move but he didn’t. Thus penalty.
Maldonado had the full right to that corner. Hamilton wasn´t close enough to make the pass legitimate.
To even question that or say "well Maldo should have taken a wider line" is BS.
Hamilton tried to go for a gap that never really existed.
I´m one of Hamilton´s biggest fans but he made a really horrible mistake there.
Only fanboys will beg to differ on that one.
