Monaco GP 2011 - Monte Carlo

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andrew wrote:Tahnks beelsebob.

Well to be blunt (and at the risk of starting a war between Aberdeen and Elgin :lol: ) all those pictures show is that Maldonado was further ahead than Schumacher and Hamilton attacked from further back and used Maldonado as a brake.

As for Maldonado he probably didn't see Hamilton. Mirror blindspot most likely.

Based on what has been presented, nothing convinces me that this was not Hamiltons fault.
Hehe, I'll get the pointy sticks ready for our war :P

Joking aside – there seem to be quite a few scottish people on the forum... maybe we should agree to meet up somewhere for a race.

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HampusA wrote:
andrew wrote:
HampusA wrote:Maldonado had the full right to that corner. Hamilton wasn´t close enough to make the pass legitimate.
To even question that or say "well Maldo should have taken a wider line" is BS.
Hamilton tried to go for a gap that never really existed.

I´m one of Hamilton´s biggest fans but he made a really horrible mistake there.
Only fanboys will beg to differ on that one.
Quoted for truth. =D>
Can´t tell if your being sarcastic or if you really agree seeing as we rarely share the same opinion but i guess i´m flattered. (or not) :D
Ciro has all the rights to the forum sarcasim, so no I wasn't. I was being deadly serious in my comment.

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beelsebob wrote:
HampusA wrote:Hamilton hit Maldo.
Not the other way around.
You clearly don't know anything about relative motion.

With that rather abstract aside out the way, watch the video again – Hamilton puts right hand lock in to avoid the colision, maldo continues to turn in. Absolutely maldo's fault.
Are you serious? watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppjrZmK4eak hamilton locked the wheel after the crash...he didnt even try to avoid it cause he thought maldonado would back off but he didnt...maldonado was in front and was defending..it is clearly a racing incident...the reason i think hamilton got the penalty is because he has been involved in all of the accidents..

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amouzouris wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
HampusA wrote:Hamilton hit Maldo.
Not the other way around.
You clearly don't know anything about relative motion.

With that rather abstract aside out the way, watch the video again – Hamilton puts right hand lock in to avoid the colision, maldo continues to turn in. Absolutely maldo's fault.
Are you serious? watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppjrZmK4eak hamilton locked the wheel after the crash...
He did? What time code and wheel? I don't see either wheel lock up there.
he didnt even try to avoid it cause he thought maldonado would back off but he didnt...
Really? What's going on here? I see Hamilton with significant right hand lock, and Maldonado driving straight for the Apex
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Note also – Hamilton is significantly further back in this shot than the one I linked earlier from minutely earlier on – Hamilton is clearly hard on the brakes already.
maldonado was in front and was defending..it is clearly a racing incident...the reason i think hamilton got the penalty is because he has been involved in all of the accidents..
Being guilty of one thing (he absolutely was guilty in the Massa accident) does not imply guilt in another.

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And time for the opinion of an expert: http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/69 ... -the-wrong.

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Just saw a replay of the race. Alonso was magical through the swimming pool complex in the last five laps. Dancing on the edge of disaster every time through, trying to hold on to the fresh tired Red Bull. Every lap through there my heart jumped into my throat as he tossed it in there, with no regard for whether the tail had the wherewithal to follow the nose through, jumping sideways every time. Absolute Magic. Incredible.
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From Andrew:"Ciro has all the rights to the forum sarcasm."


Agreed, and well earned I might add.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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timd wrote:If you are going to overtake someone at the last minute and without being alongside at turn in then it is the overtaking cars responsibility to avoid the accident.

It is only the driver being overtaken responsibility if you are alongside at or before turn in. At this point he needs to give you room.

Hamilton could and should have backed out of that move but he didn’t. Thus penalty.
I don't normally like to get involved in these discussions, but I thought I'd quote this since I initially thought the same thing; the move looked like a pretty late lunge up the inside. After taking a bit of a closer look I've changed my mind though.
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You can see in the image that, although Hamilton doesn't get level with Maldonado, he's a long way down the side. His intent was clear as was the fact that he was committed to the move well before the turn in. The final choice on whether to have the accident was Maldonado's.

As to whether he should have turned in or left room, I guess that's a matter of taste. What's clear to me though is that, on this occasion, Hamilton went for a legitimate gap and Maldonado closed the door beyond the point at which Hamilton could have backed out. I don't see how handing out a penalty to the attacking driver (or the defending driver unless he runs the attacker into a wall) in situations like that is in any way healthy for the sport.

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TheRMVR wrote: FANBOY ALERT

Funny how people can talk for days about something that happened in a split second. Pathetic really.
LAMER alert.

If you don't like what you're reading, bring a counter argument or skip, don't resort to childish accusations. There is a difference between a fan and a brainless fanboy/hater; the one you're talking to is not the latter. I've put forward a rational argument about the subject. If you can't, and keep on resorting to such behaviour, you have no place here.

Now run to the mods !
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Redmondo wrote:Maldonado was out there driving his own race and Lewis ruined it for him. While Maldonado could possibly have used more awareness to save himself, that doesn't excuse Lewis. Lewis was plain being a bad driver there, as he has done before.
I hope you mean bad as in 'mischievous', not as in 'incompetent'. Because in the end Hamilton got eight points, and Maldonado got nought.

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andrew wrote:And time for the opinion of an expert: http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/69 ... -the-wrong.
If Jackie Stewart was in F1 today he would probably struggled to break in to the points. He's only an 'expert' in his era of racing.

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After pulling the race card in a post race interview, Lewis has lost every ounce of respect as far as I'm concerned.

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Some people trying to make it look like Hamilton has made a serious statement about racial discrimination, thus trying to make him look like a racist.

Fail. Better luck next time...
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Shrieker wrote:Some people trying to make it look like Hamilton has made a serious statement about racial discrimination, thus trying to make him look like a racist.

Fail. Better luck next time...
If he didn't mean it, he wouldn't have said it. The 'maybe it's because I'm black' comment was DIRECTLY preceded by him saying he's been called to the stewards 5 out of 6 races this season. When you're around three other cars that crash in one race you should expect to go and talk to them. Not all of them were his fault but to pull some bullshit like blame his reasons for being called to see the stewards on the color of his skin is deplorable. I respect his talent immensely, but his fat mouth has been shooting off since the day he started his second season in F1, remember he told Ron Dennis to 'go --- swivel' over a live radio transmission and now this. He doesn't get any respect from me as a person, as a racer he's second to none. As soon as things don't go his way he publicly and rudely blames his team, the series and other drivers. It's amazing people call Alonso a crybaby and not Lewis.
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Ray wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Some people trying to make it look like Hamilton has made a serious statement about racial discrimination, thus trying to make him look like a racist.

Fail. Better luck next time...
If he didn't mean it, he wouldn't have said it.
You're right, people never say sarcastic things.