Will Ferrari's communication director ever stop moaning?

[autogyro]

These new teams have had no idea on what level of technology to work towards, solely because of Ferrari and FOTA.

Or maybe because the whole 2-tier championship and budget cap were a negotiation point for the first place?
If Mosley really wanted short term stability he could let smaller teams buy chassis, or at least a design.
STR, Super Agury did that and sky didn't fall.
But Williams is too afraid that someone like Super Agury will kick their butt.

It is not possible to reinvent F1 by 9 months.

The writing was on the wall for F1 when the engine management was standardised.
Customer chassis, standard engines and gearboxes will simply speed the process.
In past wars complete front line war planes have been designed and brought into service in less time.
Is it because there are only the slow and greedy available in peacetime?
Nine Months should simply be part of the challenge.
What has stability got to do with F1? It is not a WI knitting circle.

[timbo]

The writing was on the wall for F1 when the engine management was standardised.
Customer chassis, standard engines and gearboxes will simply speed the process.
In past wars complete front line war planes have been designed and brought into service in less time.
Is it because there are only the slow and greedy available in peacetime?
Nine Months should simply be part of the challenge.
What has stability got to do with F1? It is not a WI knitting circle.

With all due respect to Mitchell, Tank, Lavochkin and Kartvelli, modern day F-1 car is much more sophisticated than any WWII fighters.
Part of the challenge? Fine.
So, USF1 was not up to challenge, what's the problem?

Stability in F1? Well, for a long time Max and Bernie did their best for F-1 to become a big f**king business. 5 biggest teams have probably around 2 billions between them. It is a very serious thing to downgrade 10 times.

[autogyro]

The writing was on the wall for F1 when the engine management was standardised.
Customer chassis, standard engines and gearboxes will simply speed the process.
In past wars complete front line war planes have been designed and brought into service in less time.
Is it because there are only the slow and greedy available in peacetime?
Nine Months should simply be part of the challenge.
What has stability got to do with F1? It is not a WI knitting circle.

With all due respect to Mitchell, Tank, Lavochkin and Kartvelli, modern day F-1 car is much more sophisticated than any WWII fighters.
Part of the challenge? Fine.
So, USF1 was not up to challenge, what's the problem?

Stability in F1? Well, for a long time Max and Bernie did their best for F-1 to become a big f**king business. 5 biggest teams have probably around 2 billions between them. It is a very serious thing to downgrade 10 times.

The only added sophistication in an F1 car to a WW2 fighter is the materials and the computer aids to design tasks, that 'speed everything up'(should take less time, ask Nick Wirth).
Some things like sleeve valves are still far more efficient in WW2 fighters than the 'poppet' valves in F1. There realy are no excuses,
It is a serious business true, so where are these other big teams in F1 and where is their money? It is only the tax payer who has kept them in business through bail outs in the criminal banking system. All of them should be gone if it was a fair system based on ability.
Instead they continue to hold up alternate energy use for the sake of their masters the oil barons, with motor mouth Montezemelo still trying to con the public with lies.

[autogyro]

Oh yes and Toyota tried to buck the trend by taking a leed in hybrid vehicles for road use and take a good look at what is happening to them in America.

[timbo]

All of them should be gone if it was a fair system based on ability.

Still it is a system based on ability. You can't just buy success in F1. Toyota and Honda left precisely because of that. You can only buy glamour.
And Bernie (and Max for that reason) would not want all the glamour gone.

So, even if I ultimately agree that F1 is better off with equal budgets, I would not take that equalisation was what Mosley was after.

[autogyro]

All of them should be gone if it was a fair system based on ability.

Still it is a system based on ability. You can't just buy success in F1. Toyota and Honda left precisely because of that. You can only buy glamour.
And Bernie (and Max for that reason) would not want all the glamour gone.

So, even if I ultimately agree that F1 is better off with equal budgets, I would not take that equalisation was what Mosley was after.

Sorry I did not make myself clear. I was talking about the big car manufacturers themselves that should no longer exist, not the teams with or without big budgets.

[timbo]

Sorry I did not make myself clear. I was talking about the big car manufacturers themselves that should no longer exist, not the teams with or without big budgets.

Well, that is a bold claim
But this topic is too far and too big to be discussed in this thread.

[autogyro]

I disagree.
The fact that motor mouth Montezemolo is still mouthing off like a tired old drone proves this. He can only do so because the companies that were in Fota and left F1 are still in business kept there by public bail out money.

If they had all gone belly up as market forces demanded, he would then be seen as the hypocrite he is.

I have nothing against Ferrari, they have a great history and the support from the people of Italy is to be admired. Britain is a dolt of a country in this respect. However, Ferrari success over the years has been aided to a major degree by British expertise and engineering brilliance. Montezemelo knows only to well that Ferrari is now on the back foot both in this respect and of course from the financial limitations. So he should cease moaning and get his people to get on with the job, after all they havent even got the Americans to worry about.