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Two US F1 team trailers have been put up for sale on eBay. The trailers were originally purchased from Brawn GP, and were planned to be used for the 2010 season. However, when USF1 ran into difficulties just weeks before the start of the season, which were discribed by the team as "serious economic and funding challenges", they were unable to make the grid in Bahrain.
That's an idea, only difference being Windsor doesn't have to pay a former WDC to get out to leave room for Lopez?WhiteBlue wrote:I havn't seen day7 yet. Is it out? It will probably be about pay drivers. Winsor is proud that Ferrari also has a pay driver with sponsorship by Santander.
Well, if they can sign Villeneuve then on average they've met their goal.xpensive wrote:I guess that the idea of having American drivers...has been given up upon...
wait, Argentina is in South America..xpensive wrote:I guess that the idea of having American drivers...has been given up upon...
Actually, it does matter and a lot. Wheel are unsuspended mass and weight there compromises the suspension work and weight at the nose affects your weight balance and puts more inertia on the front of the car.Jersey Tom wrote:Plus, doesn't matter where the weight savings come from. Might be much easier and cheaper to pull another 10 ounces from the wheel assembly than the crash structure.
At this point they just need to get a single car built, any car. You can optimize everything until you're blue in the face. But if the car isn't done then it doesn't serve any purpose. Given that they are starting from scratch with limited resources they shouldn't expect to blow everyone away the first year. If they use their resources wisely they'll get a "baseline" model built and then do extensive testing during practice sessions next year so they can get a jump on development into next winter.dumrick wrote:Actually, it does matter and a lot. Wheel are unsuspended mass and weight there compromises the suspension work and weight at the nose affects your weight balance and puts more inertia on the front of the car.Jersey Tom wrote:Plus, doesn't matter where the weight savings come from. Might be much easier and cheaper to pull another 10 ounces from the wheel assembly than the crash structure.
Manor GP's John Booth has already stated they don't expect to be competitive with the established teams for 3yrs.Mystery Steve wrote:Given that they are starting from scratch with limited resources they shouldn't expect to blow everyone away the first year. If they use their resources wisely they'll get a "baseline" model built and then do extensive testing during practice sessions next year so they can get a jump on development into next winter.
Yea yea yea, everyone jerks themselves off to unsprung mass. Everyone loves waving their hands. And while some can at least show load variation on a shaker rig, I am 99% certain no one, in F1 or otherwise, can quantify the effect of high frequency load variation on true, dynamic tire grip. There's no test machine that can put numbers to it.dumrick wrote:Actually, it does matter and a lot. Wheel are unsuspended mass and weight there compromises the suspension work and weight at the nose affects your weight balance and puts more inertia on the front of the car.Jersey Tom wrote:Plus, doesn't matter where the weight savings come from. Might be much easier and cheaper to pull another 10 ounces from the wheel assembly than the crash structure.
I would start to get worried if Mike Gascoyne was saying that, if he was sick or something...Fil wrote:Manor GP's John Booth has already stated they don't expect to be competitive with the established teams for 3yrs.Mystery Steve wrote:Given that they are starting from scratch with limited resources they shouldn't expect to blow everyone away the first year. If they use their resources wisely they'll get a "baseline" model built and then do extensive testing during practice sessions next year so they can get a jump on development into next winter.
what about the GEM device some Champcar teams used a decade ago now marketed under BLIS brand .Jersey Tom wrote:Yea yea yea, everyone jerks themselves off to unsprung mass. Everyone loves waving their hands. And while some can at least show load variation on a shaker rig, I am 99% certain no one, in F1 or otherwise, can quantify the effect of high frequency load variation on true, dynamic tire grip. There's no test machine that can put numbers to it.dumrick wrote:Actually, it does matter and a lot. Wheel are unsuspended mass and weight there compromises the suspension work and weight at the nose affects your weight balance and puts more inertia on the front of the car.Jersey Tom wrote:Plus, doesn't matter where the weight savings come from. Might be much easier and cheaper to pull another 10 ounces from the wheel assembly than the crash structure.
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I believe Carroll Smith agrees with you on this too...Jersey Tom wrote:Wheel force transducers are nothing new.. as you say.. but it's not exactly an easy way of measuring dynamic tire properties.
Does unsprung mass matter? It probably does. But everyone is so adamant on what effect it has, when I've never seen anyone put hard numbers to it.
