2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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I was just wondering. That's all.

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M840TR wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:14
Sainz was also the only car on a 1-stop. Some 40 or so lap old mediums.
I was really surprised by how much he hung on to them, especially after the first safety car restart. Was expecting Kimi to breeze past on fresh rubber and a Ferrari PU, but somehow Carlos kept ahead fairly comfortably! I imagine the brand new PU in the back was turned right up to help.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:23
I was just wondering. That's all.
I used to wonder how would i live if i was rich and good looking.....decided its better that i dont. Too depressing.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:23
I was just wondering. That's all.
I get your point but 95% of thread is filled up with the stuff so it's a bit 'incendiary' and better left alone.

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Xero wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:24
M840TR wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:14
Sainz was also the only car on a 1-stop. Some 40 or so lap old mediums.
I was really surprised by how much he hung on to them, especially after the first safety car restart. Was expecting Kimi to breeze past on fresh rubber and a Ferrari PU, but somehow Carlos kept ahead fairly comfortably! I imagine the brand new PU in the back was turned right up to help.
Kimi usually isn't one to make risky overtakes and the extra OT modes probably leveled both cars on the straights. But even then it was an incredibly impressive defence from Carlos today.

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17 Nov 2019, 21:10
I am seeing the race in the Greek channel. The commentators say that in a similar incident between Raikkonen and Verstappen just because Verstappen passed Raikkonen in the last lap going out of bounds of the race his podium was removed. They claim that the same should happen here and Sainz should have goten the Podium. They claim that the FIA treats teams differently.
Looked to me like Hamilton left space and Albon drove over him,

They both took responsibility.

Oh and the FIA also have about 3 other things to look at. They might also want to talk to them.
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Not really happy with the last 2 drives from Norris. We've seen some kinks in his driving in the races.

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diffuser wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:34
Not really happy with the last 2 drives from Norris. We've seen some kinks in his driving in the races.
His pace seems fine, but the problem is tire management. Sainz can manage the tires much better and pull off one stoppers. Norris seems to be unable to do that, until he is they should go for two stoppers or easy one stoppers.

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diffuser wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:34
Not really happy with the last 2 drives from Norris. We've seen some kinks in his driving in the races.
Didn't do too much wrong today? Pitting under the 2nd safety car didn't quite pay off, but other than that he wasn't too far off Sainz. The hard tyres didn't have the longevity. I think it's too easy to compare to Carlos, who is on red hot form right now.

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Apparently Carlos is one the cars under investigation for using DRS under yellows.

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Xero wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:44
Apparently Carlos is one the cars under investigation for using DRS under yellows.
Usually these type of investigations are done when they know the car is at fault. I'm worried that Sainz will lose his P4 (+5s would put him outside the points).
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17 Nov 2019, 21:40
diffuser wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:34
Not really happy with the last 2 drives from Norris. We've seen some kinks in his driving in the races.
Didn't do too much wrong today? Pitting under the 2nd safety car didn't quite pay off, but other than that he wasn't too far off Sainz. The hard tyres didn't have the longevity. I think it's too easy to compare to Carlos, who is on red hot form right now.
Honestly it paid off. He said he cannot defend and after pitstop he was P14 and ended P8. Pretty good stuff.
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Darth-Piekus wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:11
Darth-Piekus wrote:Still though it's so much bullshit. Sainz should be on that podium opening champagnes. Today the FIA stole a deserved podium from Mclaren.
“Deserved” isn’t the right word... The team didn’t deserved it necessarily... If they get it, it will be a lot of luck involved with it... Both Ferrari’s, one Mercedes and Hamilton taking Albon out... That’s a lot of external factors that could give them that 3rd position...


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Have in mind that in a similar situation a few races back Sainz wasn't even near the podium when the chance arrived. He remained 5th. This time the car was faster to try and get that chance for a podium. We can't deny the development of the car. Sainz was last and finished 4th with a used Medium against cars with fresher tyres.

In the end it's not our fault they crash into each other. That wasn't luck. That was stupidity of the Ferrari drivers. Not to mention so many mistakes with our strategy.
I’m not taking anything away from the team and their recovery this season... You have to be there to take advantage of the opportunities and that in itself is an accomplishment... But, they didn’t “deserved” the podium... That’s what I’m arguing.

The recovery of the team from last year has been exceptional, Sainz drive was great... But, failing to get into Q3... Lacking pace to overtake the likes of Haas on track or keeping distance with Gasaly show that there is still a lot of work needed to be ahead of the midfield... Luck plays a role and in this race we were really lucky, not only did 4 cars that were clearly superior were out of the race, we also benefited from 2 Safety Cars, let’s keep in mind we were already lapped before the first Safety Car.

I don’t think that the team deserves that podium, since the performance wasn’t there... But, will gladly take it!


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Have in mind the tyre condition Sainz was in and the mistakes in Mclaren's strategy today. I think it is well deserved.

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Xero wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:40
diffuser wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 21:34
Not really happy with the last 2 drives from Norris. We've seen some kinks in his driving in the races.
Didn't do too much wrong today? Pitting under the 2nd safety car didn't quite pay off, but other than that he wasn't too far off Sainz. The hard tyres didn't have the longevity. I think it's too easy to compare to Carlos, who is on red hot form right now.
You're right maybe the hards were a poor choice. Still wasn't impressed.

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Superb race by Carlos, and solid race from Lando to finish P4 & P8, well deserved
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