Mercedes W11

[f1jcw]

Mercedes unsure if it will run DAS in early races

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We don't know how much time it is actually worth track by track and it carries a weight penalty, media are overhyping this system like its a silver bullet but if it was then Mercedes would've definitely kept it quiet until Australia.

I wonder if the have a DAS suspension and a sans-DAS suspension they can quickly plugin
If stewards rule illegal do they swap or lock in place

[daniellammers]

Something in my head thinks that DAS is to diverse us from the real revolution they've gone through

[Airshifter]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ...

We don't know how much time it is actually worth track by track and it carries a weight penalty, media are overhyping this system like its a silver bullet but if it was then Mercedes would've definitely kept it quiet until Australia.

I wonder if the have a DAS suspension and a sans-DAS suspension they can quickly plugin
If stewards rule illegal do they swap or lock in place

I would suspect that they have those bases covered already. I think they would assume it's a given that someone will officially protest, and though it appears the FIA might allow it, they would have to be ready just in case.

[f1jcw]

We don't know how much time it is actually worth track by track and it carries a weight penalty, media are overhyping this system like its a silver bullet but if it was then Mercedes would've definitely kept it quiet until Australia.

I wonder if the have a DAS suspension and a sans-DAS suspension they can quickly plugin
If stewards rule illegal do they swap or lock in place

I would suspect that they have those bases covered already. I think they would assume it's a given that someone will officially protest, and though it appears the FIA might allow it, they would have to be ready just in case.

FIA is separate from race stewards, that’s the problem

[turbof1]

I wonder if the have a DAS suspension and a sans-DAS suspension they can quickly plugin
If stewards rule illegal do they swap or lock in place

I would suspect that they have those bases covered already. I think they would assume it's a given that someone will officially protest, and though it appears the FIA might allow it, they would have to be ready just in case.

FIA is separate from race stewards, that’s the problem

Not really, because technical matters can be appealed and it'll end up at a FIA tribunal.

[humble sabot]

I suspect the real reason it's a maybe is that it's much like other cornering systems over the years that have required a different approach to the corner than the straight in addition to an additional physical movement. The McLaren extra brake pedal comes to mind. It took a bit of the season to actually profit both drivers because it took getting used to.

The other factor is that optimum tyre cooling on any given track varies with temperature and rain. So on some tracks it just won't offer an advantage. Though those might be the tracks where the slight top speed advantage will come back in to play. Long straights mean cooler brakes and sometimes cooler tyres by the end, but a longer straight means there's also more to be gained by reducing your rolling resistance.

[zibby43]

[F1Krof]

https://i.redd.it/5kc7lmgezmk41.jpg

How does it stack against the other cars from this angle? The tightest? No?

[nico5]

https://i.redd.it/5kc7lmgezmk41.jpg

How does it stack against the other cars from this angle? The tightest? No?

By some margin

[Chene_Mostert]

https://i.redd.it/5kc7lmgezmk41.jpg

How does it stack against the other cars from this angle? The tightest? No?

By some margin

not sure, she looks pretty chubby in the center section.
like there is an extra bulge.
a sort of a knocked up goat look to it.

[zibby43]

https://i.redd.it/5kc7lmgezmk41.jpg

How does it stack against the other cars from this angle? The tightest? No?

It's seriously impressive. The extra floor space visible in the overhead shot, starting at the front of the side pods on the W11, compared to the SF1000, is pretty striking (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28777&start=450).

Ferrari's is not as tight, as they still have a fair amount of their cooling equipment in the side pod region. Instead, Ferrari have a smaller, triangular roll hoop intake and larger shark fin surface area (both of those design choices work together in terms of freeing up flow toward the RW).

Merc is really wanting to force air downward to the rear of the floor and rear diffuser.

[mmred]

https://i.redd.it/5kc7lmgezmk41.jpg

How does it stack against the other cars from this angle? The tightest? No?

It's seriously impressive. The extra floor space visible in the overhead shot, starting at the front of the side pods on the W11, compared to the SF1000, is pretty striking (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28777&start=450).

Ferrari's is not as tight, as they still have a fair amount of their cooling equipment in the side pod region. Instead, Ferrari have a smaller, triangular roll hoop intake and larger shark fin surface area (both of those design choices work together in terms of freeing up flow toward the RW).

Merc is really wanting to force air downward to the rear of the floor and rear diffuser.

A longer car helps With the tighter rear obviously, but they pay the extraweight and mechanical umbalance

[zibby43]

How does it stack against the other cars from this angle? The tightest? No?

It's seriously impressive. The extra floor space visible in the overhead shot, starting at the front of the side pods on the W11, compared to the SF1000, is pretty striking (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28777&start=450).

Ferrari's is not as tight, as they still have a fair amount of their cooling equipment in the side pod region. Instead, Ferrari have a smaller, triangular roll hoop intake and larger shark fin surface area (both of those design choices work together in terms of freeing up flow toward the RW).

Merc is really wanting to force air downward to the rear of the floor and rear diffuser.

A longer car helps With the tighter rear obviously, but they pay the extraweight and mechanical umbalance

You can easily offset that weight by innovating with lighter materials elsewhere. There have been some credible "rumors" from someone that works at Merc GP that say the W11 is significantly lighter than the W10, and they have loads of ballast they can play with all over the car.

[mmred]

It's seriously impressive. The extra floor space visible in the overhead shot, starting at the front of the side pods on the W11, compared to the SF1000, is pretty striking (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28777&start=450).

Ferrari's is not as tight, as they still have a fair amount of their cooling equipment in the side pod region. Instead, Ferrari have a smaller, triangular roll hoop intake and larger shark fin surface area (both of those design choices work together in terms of freeing up flow toward the RW).

Merc is really wanting to force air downward to the rear of the floor and rear diffuser.

A longer car helps With the tighter rear obviously, but they pay the extraweight and mechanical umbalance

You can easily offset that weight by innovating with lighter materials elsewhere. There have been some credible "rumors" from someone that works at Merc GP that say the W11 is significantly lighter than the W10, and they have loads of ballast they can play with all over the car.

Sure, but compared to a shorter Mercedes car with the same materials technology you still have extra weight and less balance in sharp turns.

Technology Is a given

[zibby43]

A longer car helps With the tighter rear obviously, but they pay the extraweight and mechanical umbalance

You can easily offset that weight by innovating with lighter materials elsewhere. There have been some credible "rumors" from someone that works at Merc GP that say the W11 is significantly lighter than the W10, and they have loads of ballast they can play with all over the car.

Sure, but compared to a shorter Mercedes car with the same materials technology you still have extra weight and less balance in sharp turns.

Technology Is a given

A lot of variables affect balance.