Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[ringo]

I think these threads have their little place in general chat. The site would be inflexible, if we only discuss the cars and the tracks. The drivers are just as important, and are factors in the performance of the cars and also how the track affects them.
No sense in discussing a sport if we don't discuss the players; that's like a football technical board where only the ball, the goal posts, and gears are discussed.
There are other less involving threads than this, that have a very short shelf life.
Then there are also similiar threads to this that were very involving, but are buried on page 2 or 3 for some reason; like the Shumacher Rosberg thread.

[Just_a_fan]

I think these sort of threads should stay. So long as they're in the right place though. What is the point of a chat area if you're not allowed to chat?

Some people are saying "engineering only, if it ain't engineering then it isn't welcome" as if engineering is a stand alone subject divorced from any human touch.

Let's not forget that, in the context of F1, the engineering is there only to provide humans with a way to win races. Engineering without humanity is sterile and without real worth. If you want to see the results of engineering divorced from humanity then consider the goings on at Auschwitz; perfectly engineered for its task but devoid of humanity.

Having seen some of the people hereabouts who complain in every thread if there is even the slightest human interest, it pains me to point out that some of those same people make little or no 'engineering input' of their own; they seem to exist only to point out the 'lack of engineering' in other's posts.

The real issue is that F1 currently seems to revolve around engineering one or two items on the cars. There is nothing new to discuss. What's needed is new stuff on the cars but we can't control that...

[speedsense]

IMHO, there's too much conjecture as to what a driver's thinking, what a driver can or cannot do, what technique they have and only they have, etc.
All these things are pie in sky, even the title of this thread, Is Hamilton desperate.. is complete and utter conjecture.

Would we use the same in relating a Brawn chassis as being desperate? A desperate design? A new part they added because they got desperate? It's an unreasonable line of thinking to arrive at this conclusion.
Now, an act of driving desperately because of all the contact here and here causing a crash here and here, or a passionate drive to get by so and so, is far from conjecture. OR Brawn desperately got the parts put on in the last second, is technical and logical.
IMHO, is what Ciro means by a sharp pencil... just remember that helmets were invented so you can't hear the driver scream or talk or see their feelings,except maybe the wide eyes of surprise

[marcush.]

ähem how did slowhand Button drive quicker than the chosen one in Hockenheim Q3 ? Who is to blame? Tilke?
By definition Hamilton has to beat him as he is superior at all accounts.. surely you lift Lewis on a step he has not yet reached.He is one fine driver with a bright future ,but he is on his way to greatness not quite there.

my two cent

[PlatinumZealot]

Button's time improved by 0.3 seconds in Q3 actually. Hamilton messed up and didn't better his old time. So it's not really Button's speed that gave him that, more like Hamilton's mistakes.

[marcush.]

Button's time improved by 0.3 seconds in Q3 actually. Hamilton messed up and didn't better his old time. So it's not really Button's speed that gave him that, more like Hamilton's mistakes.

that does not matter ,really the chosen one is allowed to make mistakes ,Button not making a mistake is just shrugged off.. please...we are only counting results here not the if and whens.. this is Formula 1 , not your weekend pasttime in a kartinghall...

[internetf1fan]

Hamilton has outqualified and beaten Button for how many races in a row now? Everyone makes mistakes here and there. Even Alonso got outqualified by Massa in Turkey.

[marcush.]

that is not the point.
I actually like Hamilton more than I like Button as a driver ,just because I think it is very motivating to work for someone who undoubtedly is giving it all at all times.
But still you can´t say button is not delivering ...his talent is more subtle ,but very effective ,in my view at least ..it is unfair to talk him down as just being lucky with his wins and his points tally..wich is simply not realistic .this is for real .and as we see Hamilton is always going to be closer to a dnf than Button ...

[internetf1fan]

whenever did i claim button is not delivering?

he's a perfect compliment to Hamilton. He's always there in case Hamilton makes a mistake or is having a bad weekend.

[marcush.]

oh that was not meant to be directed towards you ,sorry.

[Shrieker]

I haven't been posting anything in this thread for a good long time and it has reached almost 60 pages now. It looks very likely that no other thread about just one driver has had half as many posts in it. Facts are facts. Whether people post because they dispise him or love him doesn't really matter. So many posts shows one thing for certain: He's the most controversial driver on the grid. Like Schumi and Senna was before him.


Or it's just a coincidence as many would love to believe.


There you go, your technical analysis.

[ringo]

It's good that button outqaulified him. Button fans have always wanted button to be ahead at the start, because they think his race pace is equally as good to Hamilton's, so he run away and finish ahead.

We also can see if Button can run down redbulls and ferraris and pressure them.
I wanted to witness this for a long time, so Lewis' bad quali is good in some sense.
Can button pose a threat, or are the bulls and red cars happy that it's button behind them and not Lewis?

[Super racing]

BUT has out quallified HAM 3 times this season prior to today and HAM passed him on lap 1 of all 3 of those races

[Shrieker]

BUT has out quallified HAM 3 times this season prior to today and HAM passed him on lap 1 of all 3 of those races

Must've been because he was so desperate to get past asap

[Washngo]

ähem how did slowhand Button drive quicker than the chosen one in Hockenheim Q3 ? Who is to blame? Tilke?
By definition Hamilton has to beat him as he is superior at all accounts.. surely you lift Lewis on a step he has not yet reached.He is one fine driver with a bright future ,but he is on his way to greatness not quite there.

my two cent

uptil germany, hamilton had outqualified and out raced button 6 races in a row. keep your two cents thanks