Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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I think it could even possibly be good news WB.

Why? Mercedes dont need Aabar at present. They are on course to smash sales records and have increased profits year on year now for the last 5 years.
The last thing a company needs in this position is feeding investors profits.

Looking at the next 12 months, Mercedes could go from 1.2 million vehicles a year to 1.9m.... this is unprecedented in the sectors Mercedes compete in.
With these sort of Volumes, and the new modular MFA platform underpinning the B and Aclass(along with various spin offs),Mercedes will be surging forward in profitability too.

Honestly, I dont think the loss of Aabar will be that great an issue. And, perhaps Aabar only want to sell their Daimler stake and not the MGP stake.
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I think Norby was instrumental in putting the idea into the boards heads to aquire Brawn and i´m pretty sure he sort of eased them into a position they could not go back and decide other.
i also think he was a main contributor in hireing Schumacher .
Is this Management? Surely not .On both accounts reality did Not even come close to what was promised and in almost every regard Mercedes had to open the wallet and throwin more money to fix what was sold as a championship contender as is.One year on Mercedes was suddenly a new team ina phase of restructuring and desperately needed more manpower ,simulators and what have you..
Haug is what he is .a media/ pr/ liasing guy through and through and he´s brilliant at it -half a year more without a win and he would have been history..

BTW he was instrumental in stopping Mercedes from making themselves look like fools in LeMans waiting almost 3 days before finally withdrawing the flying silver arrows after three (!!!) flips of their cars in one weekend...

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marcush. wrote:I think Norby was instrumental in putting the idea into the boards heads to aquire Brawn and i´m pretty sure he sort of eased them into a position they could not go back and decide other.
i also think he was a main contributor in hireing Schumacher .
Is this Management? Surely not .On both accounts reality did Not even come close to what was promised and in almost every regard Mercedes had to open the wallet and throwin more money to fix what was sold as a championship contender as is.One year on Mercedes was suddenly a new team ina phase of restructuring and desperately needed more manpower ,simulators and what have you..
Haug is what he is .a media/ pr/ liasing guy through and through and he´s brilliant at it -half a year more without a win and he would have been history..

BTW he was instrumental in stopping Mercedes from making themselves look like fools in LeMans waiting almost 3 days before finally withdrawing the flying silver arrows after three (!!!) flips of their cars in one weekend...
I think you are under playing Haug's role. As I posted before, he is Mercedes eyes and ears on the ground and he also has the power to act unilaterally.
Everything Mercedes have done since their return to motorsports is as a direct result of decisions made by Haug.

We saw Haug will not tolerate failure. Sauber is a victim of his streak.
We also saw Haug not afraid to ditch McLaren and go it alone. He was ridiculed on many pages for taken the action.
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JET,don´t get me wrong ,
I think Norby has achieved actually more than Neubauer ..Mercedes is today a works entry to Formula 1 and has stayed on in business without having success like in the old days!

But I also think that he is a dreamer who realised all too late what Ross had done .he took him for a ride..To get that ship turned around ,source the funds and get it on track is quite something.
Still I´m VERY sure the guy is not a Manager in the sense of leading a company .

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But he had the nous and capacity to get the funds to turn it around.

It is no co incidence that both the FIA and Brawn are partly responsible for the situation Haug found himself in 2010.
When Mercedes were negotiating the purchase of Brawn, the FIA and the teams dreamt up the RRA.
The idea was Mercedes could purchase the team and restrict their expense overall in F1.

This has still actually happened! :lol: But, Mercedes have not saved as much as they could due to them having to employ a further 100 staff becuase the glide scale RRA has not been effective in reducing team personnel as quickly as was first thought.

But it seems that given 2 very hard years, Haug's vision has been realised. And, in near enough the same parallel to that of McLaren-Mercedes.
I doff my hat to the man. Many pretenders with greater technical "credentials" have failed where he has succeded.
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I wonder if Schumachers pit stop will put the wheel nuts on properly this weekend.
Michael has had more race related wheel nut issues than Rosberg.
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Sandbagging? why'd they do that. If they have any new parts to test they'll need all the Practise sessions to test it properly. I'm figuring they are trying to get the tires right.
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Raptor22 wrote:I wonder if Schumachers pit stop will put the wheel nuts on properly this weekend.
Michael has had more race related wheel nut issues than Rosberg.
Apparently the poor guy stayed pretty distraught over it, and when Schumacher got back to the pits, he gave the guy a hug.

Schumacher may have his haters among the fans, but his pit crews love him. He's very much a "we win as a team, and lose as a team" sort of guy.
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I dont think they have any reason to ssandbag...its not testing anymore.
Its (As always) the case of getting to grips with the tire situation, which will affect the whole weekend. Get on top of that, and performance/setup can be worked on in greater detail.

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Cocles wrote:Schumacher may have his haters among the fans, but his pit crews love him. He's very much a "we win as a team, and lose as a team" sort of guy.
+1

I read in one of Steve Machett's books that after Schumacher's first win, he went round personally shaking hands with and thanking deliberately each and every one of the mechanics and engineers in the Benetton garage. Apparently at the time that was unusual behaviour for a driver.

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I read te article about Rosberg saying that tyres are a concern in Bahrain. They very well might be.

But i've noticed a marked difference in reactions of Schumacher and Rosberg. Schumacher never seems to say anything except there is a problem which they are working on and making progress all the time wearing that cheerful smile of his. Rosberg on the other and seems almost impatient or upset with the situation.

I suppose Schumacher deals with it better because of experience and what he has achieved already but Rosberg needs to learn a few things from his older teammate. He has had a race win already this season and compared to Schumacher his season has looked miles better. I think Merc were hardly going to solve their problems over the weekend anyway. All they can do is make setup changes.

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Maelstrom wrote:I read te article about Rosberg saying that tyres are a concern in Bahrain. They very well might be.

But i've noticed a marked difference in reactions of Schumacher and Rosberg. Schumacher never seems to say anything except there is a problem which they are working on and making progress all the time wearing that cheerful smile of his. Rosberg on the other and seems almost impatient or upset with the situation.

I suppose Schumacher deals with it better because of experience and what he has achieved already but Rosberg needs to learn a few things from his older teammate. He has had a race win already this season and compared to Schumacher his season has looked miles better. I think Merc were hardly going to solve their problems over the weekend anyway. All they can do is make setup changes.
I do believe that the problem with Mercedes is with their setup problems like in China most of their rivals didn't get their setup correct while Mercedes is lucky enough to hit the sweet spot. In Bahrain even tough the temperature is much more higher but given that the consistency in temperature of the track over the race weekend it will be likely that more teams will manage to hit the sweet spot compared to other races. But anyway these are all speculations we will see after the race.

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Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask lads but what is the best website for me to get Lap time data for the cars over FP3?

I would like to compare the long-run times of MGP to other teams.

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