Alpine A522

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The 'tongue' seems to be attached to the ice skate like Ferrari (red arrow)
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Cooling fully open for Mexico. Image from Thursday, Autosport

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That side profile is.....*insert something technical* =P~ :wink:
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 14:52
That side profile is.....*insert something technical* =P~ :wink:
The side profile is... with rake now

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Blackout wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:53
AR3-GP wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 14:52
That side profile is.....*insert something technical* =P~ :wink:
The side profile is... with rake now

https://i.imgur.com/E8niUpO.jpg
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Wowee. Is that a first time for Alpine this season or might they have been doing it in COTA too after the floor change?

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organic wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:55
Blackout wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:53
AR3-GP wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 14:52
That side profile is.....*insert something technical* =P~ :wink:
The side profile is... with rake now

https://i.imgur.com/E8niUpO.jpg
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Wowee. Is that a first time for Alpine this season or might they have been doing it in COTA too after the floor change?
Based on the the edge of the floor, That was the floor that Alonso ran in COTA. Ocon had the new back edge with the blade sticking out that's connected to the skate. Alonso only got that in Mexico.

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If you watch the Merc, McLaren, just to name 2, they almost seem to be leaning backwards.

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organic wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:55
Blackout wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:53
AR3-GP wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 14:52
That side profile is.....*insert something technical* =P~ :wink:
The side profile is... with rake now

https://i.imgur.com/E8niUpO.jpg
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Wowee. Is that a first time for Alpine this season or might they have been doing it in COTA too after the floor change?
It's very difficult to know because of the different speeds etc... but when I went back to compare pictures from earlier in the season, it seems the car has more rake since France, where they introduced their 3B floor with the ice skates etc..

This shows how the rear wheel winglets are nicely exposed now, thanks to the removal of the brake scope in Spa
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Blackout wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 11:57
organic wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:55
Blackout wrote:
30 Oct 2022, 15:53


The side profile is... with rake now

https://i.imgur.com/E8niUpO.jpg
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Wowee. Is that a first time for Alpine this season or might they have been doing it in COTA too after the floor change?
It's very difficult to know because of the different speeds etc... but when I went back to compare pictures from earlier in the season, it seems the car has more rake since France, where they introduced their 3B floor with the ice skates etc..

This shows how the rear wheel winglets are nicely exposed now, thanks to the removal of the brake scope in Spa
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgeTH5PWYAE ... name=small
I would expect a little more rake to help in turning the car, more weight on the front tires(less understeer) and a little oversteer on the back(get the car turning). Then when you step on the throttle, she leans back, the over-steer disappears and you get better traction at lower speeds.


I'd imaging that at 240KPH, even if you're coming off the throttle some, the outward G-forces and DF would be so high that you're gonna want a level on the car that delivers the most DF. You don't want it moving around, you want it very stable.

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Real nice upclose of the edge from AMUS


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24 Oct 2022, 13:04
And what if Alpine added that ridge in Singapore to add some lateral 'compression'/contraction and compensate the loss of vertical 'compression' due to the raising of the throat and/or the floor edge...

https://i.imgur.com/LqeaP4L.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/qBheEIB.jpg
Wouldn't the singapour ridge not be allowed to exceet the height of the floor edge ?

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diffuser wrote:
08 Nov 2022, 18:35
Blackout wrote:
24 Oct 2022, 13:04
And what if Alpine added that ridge in Singapore to add some lateral 'compression'/contraction and compensate the loss of vertical 'compression' due to the raising of the throat and/or the floor edge...

https://i.imgur.com/LqeaP4L.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/qBheEIB.jpg
Wouldn't the singapour ridge not be allowed to exceet the height of the floor edge ?
Also I think ... The ridge is where the yellow line is and the orange is the skate. The singapour ridge varies in height. It starts high off the ground, whith an angled slope, gets ever closer to the ground. At the beginning of the skate, it's at it's closest to the ground and starts raise back up. The angle of the slope going down is alot more gradule that the angle going up. I think the ridge is there to create two coridores of air flow. One on the inside which is the major DF creator. The other is between it and the skate that it can minipulate to do whatever thier doing there to seal the floor (I presume). It's also there to lower the outer edge of the floor in that higher floor section at the front.

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diffuser wrote:
08 Nov 2022, 19:11
diffuser wrote:
08 Nov 2022, 18:35
Blackout wrote:
24 Oct 2022, 13:04
And what if Alpine added that ridge in Singapore to add some lateral 'compression'/contraction and compensate the loss of vertical 'compression' due to the raising of the throat and/or the floor edge...

https://i.imgur.com/LqeaP4L.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/qBheEIB.jpg
Wouldn't the singapour ridge not be allowed to exceet the height of the floor edge ?
Also I think ... The ridge is where the yellow line is and the orange is the skate. The singapour ridge varies in height. It starts high off the ground, with an angled slope and gets ever closer to the ground. At the beginning of the skate, it's at it's closest to the ground and starts raise back up. The angle of the slope going down is alot more gradule that the angle going up. I think the ridge is there to create two coridores of air flow. One on the inside which is the major DF creator. The other is between it and the skate that it can minipulate to do whatever thier doing there to seal the floor (I presume). It's also there to lower the outer edge of the floor in that higher floor section at the front.

https://i.ibb.co/4VGwFnp/fernando-alons ... a522-1.jpg
I took blackout's image and added the yellow line ... The Yellow line is much longer that it should be cause that image has that section being much longer than it actuall is. I think the skate actually starts at the hole in the edge of the floor closest to the front of the car. Then the yellow line would be alot shorter. I think one of the skates job is as an extension of the singapour ridge. To extend an protect that inner air corridor.

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diffuser wrote:
08 Nov 2022, 18:35
Blackout wrote:
24 Oct 2022, 13:04
And what if Alpine added that ridge in Singapore to add some lateral 'compression'/contraction and compensate the loss of vertical 'compression' due to the raising of the throat and/or the floor edge...

https://i.imgur.com/LqeaP4L.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/qBheEIB.jpg
Wouldn't the singapour ridge not be allowed to exceet the height of the floor edge ?
In 2023 I guess yes...

Regarding the skate and ridge dimensions, look at this
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