2021 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi, Sep 24 - 26

[Morteza]

[mclaren111]

Would be interesting to see what they did if you had to serve every single grid drop. So if you qualify 10th and get a 20 place grid drop, you drop 10, and then still have to serve 10 places of the 20 at the next race.

If they did that, McLaren would still be serving their Honda-powered grid penalties!!

Spot on...

[_cerber1]

If they did that, McLaren would still be serving their Honda-powered grid penalties!!

In Belgium, Alonso received a 60 position penalty on the start for changing the engine, and everyone then joked that he would start from neighboring France.

[Mogster]

Technical penalties are different than punishments for racing incidents though. You shouldn’t be able to avoid a grid penalty given for your part in a racing incident by combining it with technical penalties.

[fenix4life]

If they did that, McLaren would still be serving their Honda-powered grid penalties!!

In Belgium, Alonso received a 60 position penalty on the start for changing the engine, and everyone then joked that he would start from neighboring France.

This year Alonso might have been able to start the race from back there

[MV8]

Technical penalties are different than punishments for racing incidents though. You shouldn’t be able to avoid a grid penalty given for your part in a racing incident by combining it with technical penalties.

Totally agree, don't make sense.

[Just_a_fan]

Technical penalties are different than punishments for racing incidents though. You shouldn’t be able to avoid a grid penalty given for your part in a racing incident by combining it with technical penalties.

Agreed. If you need to take a technical penalty because your PU is unreliable, that should not be instead of the racing penalty. If taking a full PU means you start from P20, the racing penalty should be rolled over to the next race. Otherwise, a midfield driver that needs a new PU effectively can benefit from the technical penalty.

[nzjrs]

Technical penalties are different than punishments for racing incidents though. You shouldn’t be able to avoid a grid penalty given for your part in a racing incident by combining it with technical penalties.

Agreed. If you need to take a technical penalty because your PU is unreliable, that should not be instead of the racing penalty. If taking a full PU means you start from P20, the racing penalty should be rolled over to the next race. Otherwise, a midfield driver that needs a new PU effectively can benefit from the technical penalty.

What is hilarious is that Max will take a grid penalty from an engine change caused by a crash with Hamilton where Hamilton was penalized (found at fault) at the same time as he takes a grid penalty for a crash with Hamilton where Max himself was penalized (found at fault).

Hilarious, deeply troubling for this forum, and yet perfectly balanced as all things should be.

[Zynerji]

Subjective race penalties should be rolled forward if a technical penalty is applied?

That's something that I cannot agree with.

[dans79]

Subjective race penalties should be rolled forward if a technical penalty is applied?

That's something that I cannot agree with.

what do you mean rolled forward?

Are you seeing if a driver gets a penalty for the stewards they shouldn't necessarily have to serve it, if they take no race related penalty?

[Zynerji]

I'm saying that all race penalties are subjective because they are issued by the stewards. I do NOT think that a technical penalty should make the race penalty move to another race.

[dans79]

I'm saying that all race penalties are subjective because they are issued by the stewards. I do NOT think that a technical penalty should make the race penalty move to another race.

Then how to do ensure a subjective penalty is actually served then? if you don't ensure they get served you are opening a Pandora's box imo!

[Just_a_fan]

Technical penalties are different than punishments for racing incidents though. You shouldn’t be able to avoid a grid penalty given for your part in a racing incident by combining it with technical penalties.

Agreed. If you need to take a technical penalty because your PU is unreliable, that should not be instead of the racing penalty. If taking a full PU means you start from P20, the racing penalty should be rolled over to the next race. Otherwise, a midfield driver that needs a new PU effectively can benefit from the technical penalty.

What is hilarious is that Max will take a grid penalty from an engine change caused by a crash with Hamilton where Hamilton was penalized (found at fault) at the same time as he takes a grid penalty for a crash with Hamilton where Max himself was penalized (found at fault).

Hilarious, deeply troubling for this forum, and yet perfectly balanced as all things should be.

A great point. Hadn't thought about it that way.

[Zynerji]

I'm saying that all race penalties are subjective because they are issued by the stewards. I do NOT think that a technical penalty should make the race penalty move to another race.

Then how to do ensure a subjective penalty is actually served then? if you don't ensure they get served you are opening a Pandora's box imo!

I think that box has been open since technical penalties were introduced.

Why is it NOW such a big deal?

[dans79]

I'm saying that all race penalties are subjective because they are issued by the stewards. I do NOT think that a technical penalty should make the race penalty move to another race.

Then how to do ensure a subjective penalty is actually served then? if you don't ensure they get served you are opening a Pandora's box imo!

I think that box has been open since technical penalties were introduced.

Why is it NOW such a big deal? Oh, because you favorite driver doesn't benefit in this particular incident...

You should read this, as this has been an issue for a while, and Max was i believe the last person who had to deal with it.

https://www.racefans.net/2015/06/06/ver ... y-in-race/

The stewards have confirmed Max Verstappen will have to serve a ten-second time penalty into the Canadian Grand Prix.

Verstappen was due to serve a ten-place grid penalty for using his fifth engine of the season, one more than the maximum allocation. However As he qualified 12th out of 19 qualifiers, and already had a five-place grid penalty to serve, only two out of the ten places could be counted.