Ferrari F2008 aero-mech development in 2008

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Bob Brown
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so now there is no hole for turkey.........VERY interesting.

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"We hope to maintain our momentum from the past two victories here in Istanbul and from the last three consecutive wins so far this season," commented Team Manager, Luca Baldisserri. "The cars used by Kimi and Felipe are basically to the same specification as those that were used in Spain, with the exception that at Istanbul Park we will not use the slotted (hole) nose. This is because this solution is much more efficient at medium to high downforce levels, whereas Turkey requires less downforce. The new nose worked very well, but as we said when we gave it its race debut in Barcelona, we would only use it at circuits where we deem it will bring us an advantage over a more conventional component."

Medium to high downforce levels, where the secondary flap is at a high angle of attack and the trailing edge is at or near the bottom of the nose cone, if I had to take a guess. Much more efficient = less drag. His comments point out that the nose cone hole helps to reduce the drag of the high downforce setups. Echoing what some have predicted here already.

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Slim,

Can you give me the general dimensions of the nose cone that you use? I would like to try and use AutoCAD to make my concept.

Thanks!

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Nice job slimjim. What's important is that Ferrari adjust the centre of their front wing and give a lot of wing at the centre because now they can easely guide the upgoing airflow through the nose cone hole.

On standard wings this doesn't have a positive result because the air hits the underside of the nose cone which creates uplift instead of downforce and a lot of air distortion. Therefore they can't really afford to give a lot of wing at the centre of a regular wing because of its insufficiency.

What i'm trying to say (which isn't easy in english for me) is that you should use different wings when testing with or without nose holes which you haven't done if i'm not mistaking.
The wing on regular nose cone should have a V-shape in the middle.
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FRONT WING SPAIN
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Similar to Bahrain , but the nose cone end hole was not used , instead the team had the nose cone slot which was already intensively explained

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Not surprisingly, without the slot the hole in the tip of the nose has returned this weekend.

I am wondering if the nose is identical to the one last run in Bahrain. If it is not that would be interesting and mean that Ferrari may have to run parallel development on two separate noses. On the other hand I could be wrong and improvements to the slotted nose could be carried over to the non-slotted and vice versa.

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FRONT WING TURKEY
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The nose cone slot disappeared (not suited for this lower downforce track ) , so the small oval cooling nose end hole reappeared once again .
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is it? do we have figure?
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There's no definitive figure but it is widely reported paddock scuttlebutt. Word is that Ferrari had an update to their engine on the basis of reliability (the only type of update allowed) and that added significant power (20 hp)

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Well in 2006 the Ferrari 056 engine was generating 785BHP by the end of the season, say this was carried over to 2007 and with this increase (20-25BHP) we could be talking 800BHP peak. Not bad from a 2.4 :)
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To me, more impressive than the Ferrai's HP is its torque and power band. With both cars on the front row at Monaco, it must have good torque and a broad usable power band.
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Scotracer wrote:Well in 2006 the Ferrari 056 engine was generating 785BHP by the end of the season, say this was carried over to 2007 and with this increase (20-25BHP) we could be talking 800BHP peak. Not bad from a 2.4 :)
Well, that may work if the engine in 2006 didn't rev at (probably) over 21.000 rpm and was limited to 19.000 rpm now ;-). If all these improvements are true, we may be seeing an engine that's nearly as powerful as a 2006 engine.
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