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Diesel wrote:It's clearly not a 'mith', whatever that is. Lewis had new sets of options for the race in China, Jenson did not.

Lewis locked his front tyres in the final stint and had to carry a heavy flat spot through to the end of the race, he was concerned about making it to the line.
The Hamilton/Button tyre wear myth had nothing to with a single blocked wheel in a tight and hard-fought overtaking battle, as well you know. The myth was tyre wear, not racing damage.
Anyone trying to move the goalposts at this late stage in the game, and hoping nobody notices, simply paints themselves into an ever diminishing tighter corner, betrays that they really know in themselves that the stubborn facts all came in and they long since lost the argument. No shame in admitting you were hoodwinked by facile simplistic media sound-bites and went along for the ride. (Well there is actually ...)

Hamilton had his brand-new set of option bolted on at his first stop, presumably when McLaren were still thinking 2stop, this was his shortest stint of the day by a good chunk, and thus he actually lost-out on much of their available relative performance advantage in that set. He did all the serious spadework to get into proper contention on the used set of options applied in the third stint.

Anyone with any familiarity with the race and test data, or specific knowledge of the specifics of setup and car dynamics, fails to find or articulate the much vaunted idiot-journalist/internet-messageboard noisily hyped differences that you attempt to cling to here.
When informed engineering opinion coincides precisely with the available ontrack evidence, the evidence of our own eyes, that becomes sufficient for me.

Your mileage may vary.

Ashley wrote:"You now have Hamilton behind you. Get ready to defend properly
Smedley actually said "Hamilton is the car behind. Hamilton is the car behind. We are going to have start defending from him."

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button is a smoother driver than hamilton and also more conservative and calculating. button is easy on the tires (as is webber) and easy on his car. is this enough to win another wdc? no in my opinion. you need a bit of crazy to win the wdc. button won his wdc really in the early season with brawns ingenious double diffuser design. when everyone caught up with technology...button struggled.

hamilton is a go for your guts driver. all or none. it is both beneficial and detrimental at the same time. in his rookie season, he was so heavily heavily favored by the marshall's (my opinion) that any horrific behavior or track incident was blindly overlooked. i do not recall or have ever witnessed another car and driver being craned back onto the track to continue racing...which of course happened with hamilton.

people will recall that hamilton only won by one point...on the last urn of the last race of the season. true for kimi as well.

so, is hamilton a phenomenal driver? no, imo. he is an excellent driver.

let's see how vettel will develop. he also won the wdc on the very last race of the season. it may be some time before we see the likes of schumie winning the wdc 3/4 into the season. in a way, it is more entertaining (and that is all sports is...pure entertainment)to not have such a dominating driver as schumie of past. every race is a roll of the dice...a who knows what is going to happen.

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forty-two wrote:Gentlemen, just my tuppence for whoever wants (or doesn't) to hear it.

I have been enormously impressed with the way that both Mr Hamilton and Mr Button have handled themselves since being team-mates. Isn't it refreshing to see them both getting along so well? I wondered for a while if it was for real, but seeing them interviewed together tells me that they're not putting it on, it seems real at least. Surely that's something to admire?
42 - your post says it all. These two team mates re-acquainted us with side by side racing last year in Turkey, and repeated it in China this week. I'm not sure if any other team has such a complete package that can deliver such close racing, and drivers that be trusted to pull it off with success.

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Ashley wrote:It Suited him quite well...
So why not wearing the ferrari one!!! lol
Because he likes winning... :lol: :lol:
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Favourite team: McLaren

Turned down the chance to meet Vettel at Silverstone in 2007. He was a test driver at the time and I didn't think it was worth queuing!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

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bergzy wrote:button is a smoother driver than hamilton and also more conservative and calculating. button is easy on the tires (as is webber) and easy on his car. is this enough to win another wdc? no in my opinion. you need a bit of crazy to win the wdc. button won his wdc really in the early season with brawns ingenious double diffuser design. when everyone caught up with technology...button struggled.

hamilton is a go for your guts driver. all or none. it is both beneficial and detrimental at the same time. in his rookie season, he was so heavily heavily favored by the marshall's (my opinion) that any horrific behavior or track incident was blindly overlooked. i do not recall or have ever witnessed another car and driver being craned back onto the track to continue racing...which of course happened with hamilton.

people will recall that hamilton only won by one point...on the last urn of the last race of the season. true for kimi as well.

so, is hamilton a phenomenal driver? no, imo. he is an excellent driver.

let's see how vettel will develop. he also won the wdc on the very last race of the season. it may be some time before we see the likes of schumie winning the wdc 3/4 into the season. in a way, it is more entertaining (and that is all sports is...pure entertainment)to not have such a dominating driver as schumie of past. every race is a roll of the dice...a who knows what is going to happen.
As Button said, "....I struggled to look after rear tyres for some reason...", so may be not as smooth as you think!


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bergzy wrote:button is a smoother driver than hamilton and also more conservative and calculating. button is easy on the tires (as is webber) and easy on his car. is this enough to win another wdc? no in my opinion. you need a bit of crazy to win the wdc. button won his wdc really in the early season with brawns ingenious double diffuser design. when everyone caught up with technology...button struggled.

hamilton is a go for your guts driver. all or none. it is both beneficial and detrimental at the same time. in his rookie season, he was so heavily heavily favored by the marshall's (my opinion) that any horrific behavior or track incident was blindly overlooked. i do not recall or have ever witnessed another car and driver being craned back onto the track to continue racing...which of course happened with hamilton.

people will recall that hamilton only won by one point...on the last urn of the last race of the season. true for kimi as well.

so, is hamilton a phenomenal driver? no, imo. he is an excellent driver.

let's see how vettel will develop. he also won the wdc on the very last race of the season. it may be some time before we see the likes of schumie winning the wdc 3/4 into the season. in a way, it is more entertaining (and that is all sports is...pure entertainment)to not have such a dominating driver as schumie of past. every race is a roll of the dice...a who knows what is going to happen.

What does Vettel have to do with this? :lol: You have to let Vettel earn respect for himself you know. Riding away into the sunset on a newey designed rocket sled is snot enough. But anyway back to Hamilton Vs Button...

Look at raw braking power in this video! 4 meters later!

http://default.indavideo.hu/video/Butto ... China_2011
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Old thread alert!

Thought it would be a good time to dig this one back out again....

Button wins Canada in an amazing race and Hamilton keeps on smashing his car up. We've had some great racing between these two, what a season!!

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enkidu wrote:Old thread alert!

Thought it would be a good time to dig this one back out again....

Button wins Canada in an amazing race and Hamilton keeps on smashing his car up. We've had some great racing between these two, what a season!!
"keeps smashing his car up" is a rather large hyperbole when we're talking about one minor understear into another driver.

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beelsebob wrote:
enkidu wrote:Old thread alert!

Thought it would be a good time to dig this one back out again....

Button wins Canada in an amazing race and Hamilton keeps on smashing his car up. We've had some great racing between these two, what a season!!
"keeps smashing his car up" is a rather large hyperbole when we're talking about one minor understear into another driver.

Say that to another road user when you have a little scrape next time your driving... "Sorry mate thats hardly smashing your car up, I only had mild understeer into your car." :lol:

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enkidu wrote:Say that to another road user when you have a little scrape next time your driving... "Sorry mate thats hardly smashing your car up, I only have a mild understeer into your car." :lol:
Well button had a rather bigger 2 smash ups, didn't he – why are we focussing on hamilton's one minor incident?

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Still won the race though, luck was on his side yes...

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There was 2 though, Webber as well.

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enkidu wrote:Still won the race though, luck was on his side yes...
Not sure I'd say Button was too lucky – perhaps that his car didn't fall apart. But he drove a sensational race, that's for sure. I find it very disappointing that we didn't see the sensational race that I'm sure Hamilton would have driven.

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Would have been nice to have had a 1 - 2 for McLaren..... I just think Hamilton needs to relax a little rather than gunning for every position, he is still young though and learning.

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enkidu wrote:Would have been nice to have had a 1 - 2 for McLaren..... I just think Hamilton needs to relax a little rather than gunning for every position, he is still young though and learning.
I can see that view point. Personally I think it's exactly what makes him a great driver.