Juzh wrote:Vettel in the same group as webber haha. Have you been watching f1 since 2009?
I share his thought. Last year when his car wasnt there he was absolutely nowhere. A driver that excells(and thus AA) will show good things when his car did not, did Vettel do so? No he did not. He might be quick, but that only happens when his car is, if his car is not, he is not. Vettels success is imo linked to the success Newey has.
And yes people will always recall Monza 2008 in there, to show how much "AA" he is. But do I need to recall that the front of the field got taken out/took themselves out by the weather? He would never had won that if the top teams were still there. He simply maximised his result when others screwed up.
Then we have his team mate, Webber. He might not be the quickest, but he is consistent, and he was consistent when his car was not. He was still on a decrnt level when his car was not. And that is something that counts.
Just compare Vettel to Alonso and take a look why he is not in AA
amm. nope. I'm tired of people downgrading vettel all the time just because they feel the need to make themselves feel better by doing so. Putting him in the same group as webber is just silly and shows obivous hate towards him.
australia - webber beaten by vettel no problems
malaysia - vettel was heading towards 4th (maybe 3rd) if not for now bankrupt mobile chicanes aka HRT
china - webber just manages to beat vettel on the last lap i think
bahrain - webber +40s
spain - vettel > webber
monaco - the only race where webber truly beat vettel in 2012. But if' we're using that kind of standards we might just as well put hamilton together with button.
canada - vettel 4th, webber 7th
europe - alternator failure for vettel
great britain - race long brake problems for vettel, still 3rd, so this is not something I'd call being beaten.
all remaining races vettel destoryed webber
Why are you always so politicaly correct raymondu? If you'd even think about putting alonso who got beat by massa with no contest last four races or hamilton anywhere else but the A group, people here would come down on you like there's no tommorow. Which is kinda sad, because there's always jsut a few people around here who start all that pointless threads and accussations. Dunno why mods even keep this open.