Sauber C32 Ferrari

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Owen.C93
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F1T wrote:
Halfway into 2013 however, it remains to be seen if Sauber is going to invest much more time into this layout, especially because developments in this area will not be possible next year - as the 2014 rules stipulate a single exhaust exit close to the centre of the car. That is unless the team is convinced a lot of time can be found quickly.

http://f1tcdn.net/images/development/20 ... xhaust.jpg
Considering their financial troubles it may have meant to appeared a few races ago.
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RB7ate9
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Kiril Varbanov wrote:
RB7ate9 wrote:I wish there was a clearer picture of the burning on the rear bodywork to help get an idea of where the exhaust is going.

If at least the burns are where they should be, extending down to the edge of the diffuser, it could be a very positive thing for the team.
Knock yourself out - the best I could do in terms of zooming and searching. No suitable images available yet for closer rear shots:
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7651/nvlk.png

Oh, didn't see the original above. Anyway, that's the official team photos so far.

Update from day 2:
http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/227393.jpg
Thanks. It appears that the slim sidepods are giving them problems. No effective downwash over the sidepods and the humps aren't enough to counteract the large flow around.

The simplest step, I imagine, is to have evolve the panel to have larger humps a la Red Bull to at least catch the air flow around the sidepods to direct it down the ramp.

henra
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Kiril Varbanov wrote: Knock yourself out - the best I could do in terms of zooming and searching. No suitable images available yet for closer rear shots:
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7651/nvlk.png

Oh, didn't see the original above. Anyway, that's the official team photos so far.

Update from day 2:
http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/227393.jpg
Ohhh ohhh.
That doesn't look like it will work well.
Way too much heat traces visible on the inside. The flow around the sidepods still seems to blow it inward.
As mentioned, RB style humps may help a bit. Maybe the tunnel is also too obstructed.
Anyway the narrow sidepods will not really favour a stable established flow over the sidepods that will stand a fighting chance against the inward flow from the sides.
Here's waiting for Version 2b but a solution based on these narrow sidepods might be tricky.

Huntresa
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Just add some other material like red bull and merc did and no mor burns. Remeber even Merc had burns this year with their new car but that was before they added non painted parts.

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Young Drivers Test 2013 Day 3 (Silverstone) - 19.07.2013

We might see the DRD being tested today, because the "ears" are attached.

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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stefan_ wrote:Young Drivers Test 2013 Day 2 (Silverstone) - 18.07.2013

http://i.imgur.com/h2Y9GyW.jpg
Love this shot, how slim is this Sauber!

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YDT- Day 3 - 19/07/13

Sauber testing DRD & new exhaust
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Interesting that their sidepod tunnel design is closer to the B-spec B8 than the D-spec RB8. Most teams failed miserably with that - though perhaps significantly, the similarly Ferrari-powered STR has a slit there too, as opposed to a big tunnel.
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Owen.C93
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RBR has the slit as well it's just recessed farther in so you can't see it. It's what the regulations allow.
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henra
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Huntresa wrote:Just add some other material like red bull and merc did and no mor burns. Remeber even Merc had burns this year with their new car but that was before they added non painted parts.
Oh, the problem is not that there are burn marks. The problem is where they are. The location of the burn marks visible in these pictures indicates that a significant portion of the exhaust gases moves inward instead of straight back to the diffuser. If you look at RB you will notice that after felt 20 iterations of the Ramp they now manage to point the exhaust gases perfectly straight back.
To get there Suauber will still have some work to do.

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Hungary 2013 - Thursday (25.07.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

RB7ate9
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Re: Sauber C32 Ferrari

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Without large humps and additional downwash, I'm expecting burning at Hungary.

Sauber should consider the latest RB spec exhaust solution:

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But, they may be wary about it and its drag impacts since they've already had stated problems (I think over the radio from Hulkenberg) about passing Caterhams even with DRS.

I was really hoping that Sauber had a magic bullet with their new design, but it seems to unfortunately been a dead end so far.

Edit: Including Additional Comments.

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Sauber used 3 turning vanes under the nose today.

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Belgium 2013 - Thursday (22.08.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Artur Craft
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nice to see new upper elements on the FW, but, at the same time, alarming to see that spoon wing back