Scuderia Ferrari 2014

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konstantin
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Re: Ferrari F14T

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhMdnCf8vnE[/youtube]

or race onboard KImi
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5o6mCoAjyA[/youtube]

mcalex
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Lord Jesus what an s....y power delivery on Ferrari ... Respct for the drivers making such a good job with such an undrivable car

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Rhodium
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F14T never pass 12000 RMP ?

the limit by FIA is not 15000 ?

when they will have maximum of power, perhaps they will can follow Mercedes... IMO

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Bomber_Pilot
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Rhodium wrote:F14T never pass 12000 RMP ?

the limit by FIA is not 15000 ?

when they will have maximum of power, perhaps they will can follow Mercedes... IMO
No one runs at full rpm.

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Rhodium
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the question is: why ?
save fuel ?
save engine ?

iHpled
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Rhodium wrote:the question is: why ?
save fuel ?
save engine ?
Power above the 12k rpm is less efficient on fuel, so better to shift earlier.

basti313
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iHpled wrote:
Rhodium wrote:the question is: why ?
save fuel ?
save engine ?
Power above the 12k rpm is less efficient on fuel, so better to shift earlier.
When my knowledge about the rules is reight, than the 100kg/h fuel limit does not count below 10500rpm. So I suppose they may run below 10.5k rpm with even more than 100kg/h and maximum boost (MGU H support?) when they need battery for K support to get out of corners. This may have slight power and drivability advantage compared with the fuel flow limited 10.5k+ range.
On the straight they stay above 10k rpm and use the MGU-H to boost MGU-K. Between 10.5 and 15k rpm there is always the same amount of fuel to burn, so also alway the same engine power and MGU-H support...so they stay as low as gearing allows them to be and avoid higher rpm just because of engine life and efficiency.
Don`t russel the hamster!

CBeck113
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basti313 wrote:
iHpled wrote:
Rhodium wrote:the question is: why ?
save fuel ?
save engine ?
Power above the 12k rpm is less efficient on fuel, so better to shift earlier.
When my knowledge about the rules is reight, than the 100kg/h fuel limit does not count below 10500rpm. So I suppose they may run below 10.5k rpm with even more than 100kg/h and maximum boost (MGU H support?) when they need battery for K support to get out of corners. This may have slight power and drivability advantage.
On the straight they stay above 10k rpm and use the MGU-H to boost MGU-K. Between 10.5 and 15k rpm there is always the same amount of fuel to burn, so also alway the same engine power and MGU-H support...so they stay as low as gearing allows them to be and avoid higher rpm just because of engine life and efficiency.
Nope, not true:
5.1.4 Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h.
5.1.5 Below 10500rpm the fuel mass flow must not exceed Q (kg/h) = 0.009 N(rpm)+ 5.5.

The fuel flow is limited through the entire rpm range, up to the maximum 15k. It is a straight ramp up to 10500, then is flat.
The reason for the limited rpms is the specific fuel comsumption of the engine, which basically states where the engine is most efficient. The engines should have a wide power band, but at the same time a maximum specific fuel consumption close to the 10500 limit, to minimalize fuel consumption at maximal power. Normally you'll see these charts against the cylinder pressure, which can be converted to power. The chart for a Formula 1 engine is much different, basically mirrored, and with a slightly differnt scale (due to the 15000 rpms).
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bhall
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Re: Ferrari F14T

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:...the handling characteristics of the F14T
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beelsebob
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bhall wrote:
Kiril Varbanov wrote:...the handling characteristics of the F14T
http://i.imgur.com/8MzP0xB.jpg
Isn't that of the Red Bull?

/me runs

bhall
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ERS power is banned from the start until the car reaches 100km/h in order to prevent launch control. Watch the speedometer on the graphic in the video below and note the sound of the engine. Immediately at 100km/h, you can hear power delivery being quickly pulsed to give the car better traction. You can also hear it at the exit of turn 4.

It only seems to happen within a certain speed/throttle window, something like 180-200km/h and below while concurrently at or above 98% throttle.

In any case, that's traction control. However, teams will inevitably call it "driveability." I think this is what Ferrari's rumored software update will address. Maybe.



(Apologies if this has already been noted elsewhere.)

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Gridlock
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Webber once said "He's Fernando, if you gave him a wheelie bin he'd still be a threat" - that onboard (not to mention P4 in qualy with a totally compromised car) appears to confirm this is true.

Interesting throttle modulation, like you say.
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Jano11
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Gridlock wrote:Webber once said "He's Fernando, if you gave him a wheelie bin he'd still be a threat" - that onboard (not to mention P4 in qualy with a totally compromised car) appears to confirm this is true.

Interesting throttle modulation, like you say.
Why was his car 'totally compromised'?

beelsebob
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Jano11 wrote:
Gridlock wrote:Webber once said "He's Fernando, if you gave him a wheelie bin he'd still be a threat" - that onboard (not to mention P4 in qualy with a totally compromised car) appears to confirm this is true.

Interesting throttle modulation, like you say.
Why was his car 'totally compromised'?
Because his left steering arm was loose and not configured at all.

Jano11
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beelsebob wrote:
Jano11 wrote:
Gridlock wrote:Webber once said "He's Fernando, if you gave him a wheelie bin he'd still be a threat" - that onboard (not to mention P4 in qualy with a totally compromised car) appears to confirm this is true.

Interesting throttle modulation, like you say.
Why was his car 'totally compromised'?
Because his left steering arm was loose and not configured at all.
I thought they had it replaced in Q2.
Are Ferrari mechanics so bad?